DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?

[lermontov]

And the point you’re trying to make is?

that most divers dont really care for nitpicking over diving finesse and probably even less about GUE

 

[crofrog]

that most divers dont really care for nitpicking over diving finesse and probably even less about GUE

Sure, but then they’re not here on the discussion forum, you know, having a discussion. So that’s pretty irrelevant.

The people that are here are can advocate for better training standards

 

[lermontov]

Sure, but then they’re not here on the discussion forum, you know, having a discussion. So that’s pretty irrelevant.

The people that are here are can advocate for better training standards

i think thats a circular argument - you can advocate fro better standards all you want all you want - generally people on th his forum are interested in learning, the one you want to reach aren't here

 

[crofrog]

i think thats a circular argument - you can advocate fro better standards all you want all you want - generally people on th his forum are interested in learning, the one you want to reach aren't here

What’s circular about it.

 

[Blackcrusader]

It isn't about being an elite technical diver, but rather a competent recreational diver. A diver with sufficient situational awareness, buoyancy control, trim, finning techniques that they are not breaking coral.

I got all that from my BSAC training in the 1980's. Maybe being in a club environment with instructors who taught that was was the key. It's always the instructor not the agency yes? I dive with others who are also "competent" divers. It's pretty rare that I see a diver breaking corals and those divers are often spoken to about it. Not to shame them but to enhance their attention to where their body parts are when diving and to give themselves more space when diving.

Maybe it's the agencies and instructors who rush divers though courses and those divers learn bad habits.

You can imagine my surprise when I was at the end of a dive and came across this instructor with students.

I have no clue what he was trying to teach

 

[ginti]

Here's my take. I think many on this forum have forgotten what it is like to be a vacation diver who is not interested in being an elite technical diver.

100% right.

However, some things like basic buoyancy control and trim, are very easy to teach, and there is no reason why PADI and the other agencies who serve mostly vacation diverse should not teach them.

Luckily, things are changing, even if a bit slowly, from what I hear here on the forum.

 

[Alaskan Scuba Dude]

G.U.E is the light in the darkness. How long the lantern stays alight is anyone's guess.

 

[KevinNM]

You can test out of courses, but few accomplish it.

Somebody here mentioned that the first GUE course they took was tec-2. I could sooner flap my arms and fly. The only IE I ever took a class with was not an easy grader. But then again, nobody in the class really performed to standard either.

 

[ginti]

Somebody here mentioned that the first GUE course they took was tec-2. I could sooner flap my arms and fly. The only IE I ever took a class with was not an easy grader. But then again, nobody in the class really performed to standard either.

I remember this story here on SB, but if I recall correctly, the guy was already GUE cave2 and normoxic trimix with another agency (or maybe we are speaking about different stories...).

Taking t2 as the first GUE class, and passing it, is more than impressive. But I find it difficult to believe it, especially when you consider that many hypoxic trimix instructors or full cave instructors join GUE and have to do everything from scratch, despite knowing quite well some GUE IEs.

Not saying it is impossible, just... wow

 

[KevinNM]

-is it wise for people on ScubaBoard to be telling everyone who says they did not feel they learned enough in their OW class to take fundamentals immediately rather than do some intermediate training that will prepare them for success?

I’ve seen people with 20 dives get a rec pass, with vast improvement. It’s easier to learn new skills than unlearn old bad habits.