crazyTomato
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Well, I can't believe that I'm somewhat defending this LDS manager. But maybe he was actually being (I'm not sure exactly what adjective to put here) if you think about it. He's saying that he doesn't want women who need to be catered to their image problems and so on. It can get tiring. He's willing to lose money on that. I kind of command him for that in a way. He just wants divers. People who want to dive. At least for this LDS manager. Of course, all this is speculation. Obviously he's being short-sighted but it is his business. Sometimes you just don't want to deal with every type of customer.almitywife:a few weeks ago i tried to have a conversation with a LDS manager about wetsuit sizing and women... he was asking what to do about getting more women thru his store
when i started saying that i felt part of the problem was body image issues and wetsuits he response (and i have witnesses) was 'well i dont want those type of women here, they can **** off'
yes there are women diveshop owners and boat operators and dm & instructors but really, the diving industry is a mans world in general
i note that on my sewing forum no-one really asks "why dont more men sew" .... maybe because we women just get on with it and enjoy
As for why women asking why men doesn't sew.......isn't it rather obvious? It's considered too effeminate. If it was socially more acceptable, maybe more men would take it up? I also see the problem of women being rather passive in accepting/tolerating that boys will be boys, but when men want women to take up certain activities, they do question it as evidenced by this posting.....but that's really rare.
Most of you are like saying well, women have image problems, women don't think they're cut out for it, women have shark fears and the fact it's kind of a men's club in a way and so on.......notice a pattern?
It's our socialization of women vs. men. We're far more accepting of men doing physical stuff. We're less tolerant of women being the same. For example, look at Bille Jean King. When she started tennis, so many people thought it was so "unwomanly", unattractive and so on. This was coming from both women and men. Now, we don't give a second thought to women playing tennis. It takes time for it be considered acceptable.
Our society really gears women to focus on looks a whole a lot. We socialize them to play on stoves, with dolls, to think of their "prince charming" and so on. With men, we socialize them to play those dumb military games, not to cry, not to give in to their fears and so on.
I know that a lot of men joke, but god, it can get tiring when they constantly talk about wanting an attractive girlfriend or wife. It's a game that continues forever. Take for example, DrBill (please don't take offense at this by the way and if you get offended, please do tell me, and I'll remove your name), he's constantly saying that he'll love to find attractive woman diver (who also has a brain and is earning independently as well which is admittedly less common in a way) but the notice the fact that he's constantly referring to attractiveness a lot!
My point is that, until society starts socializing women not to focus on looks so much, and men not to think it's such a great trophy to garner an attractive lady, it'll continue ad nauseum.
As for those future men posters who'll write in saying, well they have brainy wives and so on.....great. How much did you focus on her looks as well? See my point?
Anyway, that's my reasoning why there aren't that many independent women divers who started on their own. It takes a level of comfort within yourself to do it on your own and being "physical" alone. I would know. I'm one of them. It took me a long time to finally get past the barrier of just doing the scuba diving alone and not think of other issues. Of course, for me it was helpful that I'm ugly.....so, less emotional investment in staying "pretty" as opposed to pretty women who are invested in that.
It's not natural for women not to want to do scuba diving or anything else. It's a byproduct of our culture/socialization/what have you. That's my bottom line.
Just my random weird .002 psi.......
