Why are BP/W users more common on this board than at the beach?

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Bob. You are a dive animal, and you live in a great dive area. Southerners, almost as a rule, HATE being cold; and generally you don't see drysuits down here (too expensive and training intensive for the "average diver"). Heck, I'm night-diving today for a class in 55 degree water, and I wish that water was twenty degrees warmer already.

RiverRat,

I'm talking about total posters. And I never said that I WASN'T lonely, sometimes.:)
 
RiverRat:
Sure it does! Although there are differences between exposure suits in warm and cold environments, the concepts will always be the same. Less drag is less drag. Period. Having weight evenly distributed over my back is the same, warm or cold. 7mm or Tee shirt. Period. In fact I notice the uncluttered "feel" of the BP/W more so in a thin wetsuit than in a thick wet or a dry suit. The BP/W is popular with heavy wetsuit or drysuit divers because typically you need more weight. The heavy SS backplates allow you to ditch some lead. But you still have MANY other benefits besides "weight" in warm water diving.

What if you only need 4 lbs of weight and a plate weighs 6 lbs? And is streamlining really that big of a factor? When I'm diving I'm hardly moving at a pace where streamling is needed. It's like a little flick and on to the next spot to look for this or that in the reef. (I'm not arguing against BPs at all. Im trying to evaluate if it's worth me getting one so thanks for all inputs here)
 
Hmm, I actually ended up with the Tranpac II setup (I know; not a real bp/wing) largely due to this board. I'd never heard of a back-inflate setup before. I fortunately didn't make the 1000 dollar mistake on my first BC though. I had an antiquated functional Scubapro I got for fifty bucks, and got a good number of dives out of it. I wanted to be trimmer, but more than that, the Scubapro was hideous about riding up and squeezing my torso the second air was in it. When I read about the back-inflate setup, it seemed nice, and like it would make surface swims easier.

With the recs here, I went to my LDS and talked to a girl there I trust implicitly. I was first interested in the Halcyons, which she dives, and decided they were a bit too bare bones for me, so she rec'd the transpac II or the transplate, and I tried the former and LOVED it, so now it's my BC. Of course, Jim loves his Avid, which is a vest, so personal comfort, I suppose.

Need a bigger wing, though. With 16-18 lbs in my pockets and a HP Steel 80 attached, that Venture wing keeps the BC pretty low in the water.
 
Hank49:
What if you only need 4 lbs of weight and a plate weighs 6 lbs? And is streamlining really that big of a factor? When I'm diving I'm hardly moving at a pace where streamling is needed. It's like a little flick and on to the next spot to look for this or that in the reef. (I'm not arguing against BPs at all. Im trying to evaluate if it's worth me getting one so thanks for all inputs here)

If you ever dive in any kind of a current, you will know that streamlining makes a HUGE difference.
 
detroit diver:
If you ever dive in any kind of a current, you will know that streamlining makes a HUGE difference.

I've dived in lots of strong currents (2 meter tides in the Philippines) but never really try to swim against them as no matter how streamlined you are it wouldn't make a lot if difference. Crawling on the bottom was about the only way to go against it.
 
Hank49:
What if you only need 4 lbs of weight and a plate weighs 6 lbs? And is streamlining really that big of a factor? When I'm diving I'm hardly moving at a pace where streamling is needed. It's like a little flick and on to the next spot to look for this or that in the reef. (I'm not arguing against BPs at all. Im trying to evaluate if it's worth me getting one so thanks for all inputs here)


Al plates only weigh about 1-2lbs. Streamlining makes a huge difference at any speed - you use less air, stay down more, etc. It's really, really noticable.
 
The Dive Rite Transpac II style (and the Zeagle, OMS, DSS versions, etc.) could be the BP/W choice of the near future for rec divers who like a little more than Hog. Good stuff. Promote those.
 
Hank49:
I haven't done the actual numbers but it seems that most of the folks using and loving bp/w are more cold water, thick wet or dry suit divers. I have never tried a bp/w (except my first dive in 1980 but I don't remember much about it) but I hardly notice I'm wearing a bc jacket. (The one i use now is more comfortable than the first one I tried) I use relatively thin wetsuits in the warm waters where I've dived. Does the bp/w add the same comfort increase in these conditions as it seems to for cold water divers?

I believe the breakdown comes from the location of the divers and their frequency in the water. Last year before my shoulder surgery I was diving almost every weekend and some in between. Almost every bit of that was in the cheap (meaning I got a gooood deal on it), comfortable little Mares jacket I am wearing in my profile. I love that thing! Its very light and great for most any of the diving I have done thus far..

Then came this little bug planted in my ear by some folks when I dove with them at Ginnie Springs and some others at Venice Beach. The power of observation is a powerful tool! I read MANY threads on SB about the BP/Wing, who makes BP's, different wings, etc., and finally, about the time Charley came along and was blowing down on our coast here I had my very own FredT Plate and OMS wing. I spent the time we had no power putting it together, playing with the straps, etc., learning about this new beast thats been intriguing me for a few months.

Finally I jump in on a dive with it. My surface swim was amusing as I learned about the need for MUCH LESS AIR but I nolonger felt like I was wearing a girtle and could breathe more relaxed, hence I wasn't panting when I got to the drop down point. In fact, it was like swimming with a little inflatable boat once I figured it out. Then came that moment of truth..... well, as best as it could be considering it was a shallow dive.

I dropped down to the bottom a whopping 18' down and out of sight with the poor vis. The single AL tank made the wing taco up once I added some air to get me off the sand (I planned ahead and got a wing that works with dbl and singles because I have some dive goals) but that was no big deal. I gave a little nudge with my finger tips to get me just a little higher so fossiling was easier and when I lifted my hand I noticed that I was dead flat level. In my head I'm saying "WOooooooo!", so I frog kick a little to see how it feels.. Amazingly, I am able to control myself with little movement of the torso in the direction wanted (up or down) and fin pivots were so very easy. After about 70 minutes of barely noticing I was wearing a rig and having collected a LOT of teeth, I surfaced with my buddy.

Normally, no matter how I weighted or adjusted the tank, I would always have a sore neck after this type of dive.. the tank would float up on the bottom as it got emptied, or the tank was to close to the back of my neck and my head would hit it, but the bottom wasn't floating up. Not this time. My neck felt fine, my head didnt have a dent from the tank being to close and the swim in was like the swim out.. like swimming on a little inflatable boat.

My next 9 dives were all similar experiences in deeper water up to 60' deep, both fresh and salt. For me, the difference once I switched was amazing. It felt like a promotion into the next level of diving. It also really helped me see how well I had done at working on skills that I thought I was only mediocre at previously.. lets just say it put an underscore in my confidence level of my skill set.

Why does it seem disproportionally numbered for BP/W divers on SB? Because as they meet divers from other places and learn about new techniques and gear they wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise, it challenges us to try new things and improve ourselves. I'm not saying the BP/W is superior for all diving, but in what I do I have noticed that it performs better for me... I can't wait to see how it does when I'm allowed to dive again later this year!
 
MASS-Diver:
Al plates only weigh about 1-2lbs. Streamlining makes a huge difference at any speed - you use less air, stay down more, etc. It's really, really noticable.

Well come on down to Placencia and let me try yours. I want to try one. But leave those long hoses behind.
 
Hank49:
Well come on down to Placencia and let me try yours. I want to try one. But leave those long hoses behind.

I've been to Belize - I'd give ANYTHING to go back!! I think I'd dive every single day if I lived there!

Sorry where I go, the long-hose goes - I can't be involved with any CF OOA situations, don't want to hurt my rep *wink* by having any dive buddies drown on me.

And, I think the 18watter would have to come too :)
 

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