Why 7ft Primary Hose for Doubles?

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I hope this is the right forum for this question.

I am new to doubles and have begun the process of educating myself and piecing together a rig.

Can someone explain to me why the primary hose needs to be 7ft long? In an emergency situation diving a single tank where my buddy needs air, I would dish off my primary to my buddy and breath my backup, no? And my backup hose is longer than my primary. Why is the primary 7ft long in a doubles setup?

Obviously I'm new to doubles, but I'm trying to figure it all out. Many thanks!
 
short answer

In a cave or restricted environment it allows you to swim single file while sharing air


long answer has been covered in many threads. Join the deco stop and check some of the threads out there, it explains it well
Equipment Configuration | Global Underwater Explorers
quick summary there
 
I hope this is the right forum for this question.

I am new to doubles and have begun the process of educating myself and piecing together a rig.

Can someone explain to me why the primary hose needs to be 7ft long? In an emergency situation diving a single tank where my buddy needs air, I would dish off my primary to my buddy and breath my backup, no? And my backup hose is longer than my primary. Why is the primary 7ft long in a doubles setup?

Obviously I'm new to doubles, but I'm trying to figure it all out. Many thanks!

Your single tank set up is not "correct" for donating the primary if your backup 2nd stage is on a longer hose. Regardless of single/double tanks, if you want to donate the primary (a good idea IMO) you should have it on the longer hose, and keep your alternate on a bungied necklace where you can get it immediately and even hands-free if necessary.

The idea of the long hose is often associated with doubles because it's part of the hogarthian technical diving set up, and most technical dives are done with double tanks. But, the long hose is a great set up for single tanks too, because the air sharing is so much more convenient.

Now, as sax player said, 7ft is the standard length for overhead environments in which divers might need to exit a restriction single file while sharing air. This length also routs conveniently if you are wearing a canister light on your waist belt. For OW diving, a 5 ft long hose routs very well under the right arm, across the chest, over the left shoulder, behind the head. For larger divers 5 ft might not be quite enough, so it's worth experimenting with slightly different lengths. You can do that by using a coupler to connect two standard length hoses and come up 5'6", for example.

With doubles in OW, the primary hose leaves from the right post and consequently has less distance to travel, so for me 5ft is perfect. Keep in mind this is only for OW environments; in restrictions (of course you would get trained for the dangers of diving in restrictions/overheads and the instructor would explain all this) you really need the longer hose.

I wish custom hoses were cheaper and easier to get. I'd get a 5'6" hose for OW singles, keep the 5ft for OW doubles, and the 7ft for cavern/cave.
 
It's in Polish(?) but you get the idea

hogarthian.jpg
 
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My stuff has a 7 footer on the single rigs, and doubles.

Believe me, when donating air in any situation the 7 footer can't be beat. The 5 foot hose is just too short.

If you dress as shown in the graphic above you'll be comfortable and properly configured. I've seen hoses bastardized by bunging it to the side of the tanks which is a total cluster of a place to store it. I've yet to see anyone who can replace it after donating one in that configuration. Anyway, I'm getting off track. If you configure as shown in the graphic above you'll be a happy camper, or diver in this case. :)

This has been discussed ad nauseum on this board and the deco stop, so search around a little and you will find as many opinions about the long hose as there are ears at a Jimmy Buffet concert.
 
Thanks to everyone for all the helpful information and indulging my ignorance on yet another well hashed issue. It helps to have the theory, which I suppose each of us will apply according to our particular diving situations.

That polish diagram is great (but does seem to be missing a good punch line, no?). And I'll be reading all the links you sent.

Thanks again.
 
Thanks for the replys. I know also it has been covered here and Decostop. The illistration is great. I bought a reg with a 7 ft primary in January and have been trying to figure out to route it properly due to not using a caniser. This makes it clear and not I can see how to setup to clip off my SPG also. Thanks
 
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