Where should hose protectors go?

[craracer]

Most, if not all of the hose protectors that I had were pretty tight.

I submit that the act of pulling a tight hose protector causes undue stress on the hose and fittings.

This is starting to look like the split-fin debate

 

[ti325v]

HA ha ha....You are right it is looking like that....but I submit and adhere to the eternal belief in hose protectors....Now we could qualify it....for those who take care of their gear, personally, after every dive, store their regs properly, keep them out of reg bags....are aware of the stresses on the hoses in use...in other words, the real pros. No you do not need them. I submit !
But for the vast majority of divers, and certainly all commercial operations, they are necessary.
My staff looks after my regs, so I am never 100% sure of how they are handled. I maintain them, but they wash and handle them....I submit to your well reasoned argument ! (With reservations )

 

[RJP]

My staff looks after my regs, so I am never 100% sure of how they are handled. I maintain them, but they wash and handle them....I submit to your well reasoned argument ! (With reservations )

Hmm...

So you're not certain whether your staff handles your gear properly? What does that say about how they might handle customer's gear.

:cool2:

 

[Akimbo]

1. In the ordinary - or even extraordinary - course of events hoses don't require much "protection" from anything
2. Hose protectors don't actually protect the hose from much of anything other than cosmetic abrasion
3. Not having hose protectors in place makes visual inspection of hoses while gearing up for every dive easy/possible
4. Having hose protectors in place can mask problems that will likel not be seen until the hose actually fails

Are we talking about hose protectors that run the length of the hose or one at the fitting to reduce bending strain? I always thought the full length versions were for color coding or fashion rather than abrasion protection.

I would say the versions designed to prevent tight bends at the fitting can be useful if it is a concern on a particular hose. Perhaps on an HP hose that can be bent too far by tank interference when the first stage is rotated too far. They are not the solution for hoses that are too short and you have to yank on them, longer hoses are. Otherwise, the disadvantages already explained make them undesirable.

 

[craracer]

I submit to your well reasoned argument ! (With reservations

)

I respectfully request that you retract this statement.

In order to liken this thread to a "split-fin" debate, we must continue to argue, ad nauseum, until we've pulverized the horse to the point at which it resembles ash at the bottom of the BBQ.

 

[dkktsunami]

What you will be protecting will be the eventual bubble in the hose from your prying eyes.

 

[ti325v]

Hmm...

So you're not certain whether your staff handles your gear properly? What does that say about how they might handle customer's gear.

:cool2:

I know how they handle customers gear, the implied insult is not necessary. To defend my self is to demean myself, but you obviously need a little education in the REAL world of a commercial dive operation.
All my staff are trained to remove regs from the tanks, wrap them properly, pile them up in a milk crate, bring them back to he shop, rinse and rewrap them,and put them on a ventilated shelf.
I have worked all over the world, and my regs are NEVER hung, which I see in 90% of dive shops. Do you imagine I am going to happily let people abuse $ 9,000 worth of MY gear ? OR MY customers gear ? It is a offense that would get somebody dismissed.
The fact is they ARE handled, by many people everyday. I live in the real world, where s@it happens. The worst abusers are students, even when taught properly, they are new...have not developed clear procedures or muscle memory, so they do dumb s@it, like picking up a reg by the spg. Are you such a perfect teacher that you can get them to do it right the first time, every time ? If so, you are god, and you should be running your own operation. Obviously you are more qualified then me. Oh, I forgot you are a lowly D.M., no students. Why am I answering a troll who is not qualified to participate in this debate ? This was a debate of value, I opened my mind, and accepted a well reasoned argument that did change my opinion.
You have turned it into a forum where you want to pitch insults ?
Somebody said it well.
Stupid should be painful.
Remove your cool sunglasses, and see the world as it really is.

 

[ti325v]

I respectfully request that you retract this statement.

In order to liken this thread to a "split-fin" debate, we must continue to argue, ad nauseum, until we've pulverized the horse to the point at which it resembles ash at the bottom of the BBQ.

I REALLY needed that laugh...Thanks ! JEEZ I never learn, gotta get it straight...NEVER FEED A TROLL, this nitwit even acknowledges he is a troll ! 3,271 Split fin posts, and proud of it !

Sorry, but that'll lower your overall score on my Troll-o-Meter to 4.6

I can`t believe I fell for a troll from NEW JERSEY. My god, I should have known...a bridge and tunnel TROLL !
CLASSIC !
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[RJP]

Oh, I forgot you are a lowly D.M., no students. Why am I answering a troll who is not qualified to participate in this debate ?

Nice.

 

[craracer]

Well, my popcorn bucket is empty, and since things are going South here, I'm headed North.

For the life of me, I can't understand why things have to become so personal around here. All the name calling, finger pointing, puffing of chests....

My apologies to the OP.

If I may:

To conclude, it is apparent that there are several varying opinions upon the use, or non-use of hose protectors. Each side appears to have equal valid points regarding their position, and each side appears to have equal drawbacks.

As it is with so many things in life, we must individually review the pros/cons from both sides of the fence, analyze the new found knowledge, and tailor the outcome to our particular needs/use(s).


After diligently reviewing the excellent arguments from both sides, I've come to a final decision on split-fins and hose protectors:

I will wear one split fin on my right foot, and a non-split fin on my left. I will alternate right and left fins on every other dive (Left or right first shall be determined by a coin toss, which will be performed by a third neutral party with a coin of their choice). Either way, in any argument, I'll be right at least 50% of the time. And in my mind, those are better odds than I have with my wife or at a casino.

I will insure that 50% of the total hoses I use shall have hose protectors at each end of the hose. Of those hoses, 50% shall be tight, and 50% shall be loose. However, all of them will be of the same length, color, material and manufacturer (because it's fashionable, and you don't want to look like you just came from GoodWill). These rules shall apply if I am single-tank, warm water diving, or diving cold with doubles and slinging 2 stages.
Once again, I shall be right in approximately 50% of the arguments, my wife not withstanding.