When does a project end?

[cavemn]

yea. what are you getting at? come out with it.

Where I'm headed is when does etiquette yield to "get out of the way"? It seems some projects are not really active. Even OCDA lists some projects that are inactive.

 

[LiteHedded]

if there was a project that hadn't been doing anything in a cave in years i wouldn't even worry about it

 

[ucfdiver]

Where I'm headed is when does etiquette yield to "get out of the way"? It seems some projects are not really active. Even OCDA lists some projects that are inactive.

Just because one team has a permit, doesn't mean another cannot apply. Have you applied for a permit with the agency in charge of the public lands you're thinking about and been rejected due to the existing team holding a permit? If yes, have you shown the agency examples of dives where you've successfully gathered data they're after requiring similar experience?

 

[PfcAJ]

porter

That's a link to one of the inactive projects. I think the reasons are self evident. If you wanna try to get into a 10inch spring vent, go for it. Talk to those dudes, see what they can offer in terms of tips, arrange access, and make things happen.

 

[cavemn]

There are established divers that have done good, but will not give permission and will not extend the project themselves. But the claim is always "the project is active" and they stake claim by "proper cave etiquette". So, when does their belly aching negate proper etiquette and turn to cave squatter? I am looking for the etiquette rule on project length without any REAL activity.

 

[cavemn]

porter

That's a link to one of the inactive projects. I think the reasons are self evident. If you wanna try to get into a 10inch spring vent, go for it. Talk to those dudes, see what they can offer in terms of tips, arrange access, and make things happen.

Nope, just an example that some teams do actually change the status of their projects.

 

[ucfdiver]

There are established divers that have done good, but will not give permission and will not extend the project themselves. But the claim is always "the project is active" and they stake claim by "proper cave etiquette". So, when does their belly aching negate proper etiquette and turn to cave squatter? I am looking for the etiquette rule on project length without any REAL activity.

Can you give a SPECIFIC example? Clearly I'm not going to tell Poucher to get out of the way at Oleno because they haven't walled the thing out because historically, when conditions allow they've made excellent progress. When people rant but don't explain, I get suspicious and wait for specifics before jumping into an uneducated conversation.

 

[PfcAJ]

I see what you're askin now. Ok.

Personally, if it was a public access type thing and no one is pushing it... I'd talk to those guys, tell them my intentions and why, then just go do it if they were being weenies about it. They might get a little butthurt, but the joke's on them for not taking advantage of it.

 

[cavemn]

Can you give a SPECIFIC example? Clearly I'm not going to tell Poucher to get out of the way at Oleno because they haven't walled the thing out because historically, when conditions allow they've made excellent progress. When people rant but don't explain, I get suspicious and wait for specifics before jumping into an uneducated conversation.

Would love to but feelings might get hurt and I understand they bruise easily. I might be blacklisted or something LOL

 

[Rainer]

So you're just basically trolling?