See attached pic.
The same led's are everywhere. If they have sealed the led/reflector assembly great. It's still the same led. I said the build quality was good. I was questioning your statements regarding a whiter white and a longer run time. Sealing the led doesn't effect any of that.
No, but the sealed "head" of the Hesers is clearly manufactured that way... It's not like it's simply glued together somewhere by someone.
...Which, of course, says absolutely nothing about what brand/model LED is inside of the thing.
Is it a different LED than what's available elsewhere on the market? I have no idea... All I know is that it performs exceptionally well, and I haven't seen any one, single LED that comes close in terms of (visual) light output.
That said, I've seen a few lights that house multiple LEDs within the head... Those appear to be similar in terms of light output, but much less focused and consequently very difficult to signal with.
The fact is that we could argue all day long about this, but until the two of us compare a Heser "solid state" (and by that I meant, "sealed, one-piece, solid unit") LED light "head" with whatever you want to compare it to, we're both just arguing to argue.
This is similar, it just uses smaller batteries and the led/reflector/lens aren't sealed as one.
I think by "similar" you mean that it's got a bolt snap attachment point on the back and that it's black... 'Cause otherwise, the light shares no components with a Heser.
Again, like saying that a Festiva is the same as a Ferrari because they both have two doors and start with an "F."
By the way, the light you showed in the photo is not the same one that I used to have - the one I used to have had a single "strip" of metal running from the rear spring to the "head" of the light. There was no "sleeve" inside of it.
Honestly, that's the first time I've ever seen a sleeve inside of a light, other than the Hesers. I've never had my buddy's Photon Torpedo apart, so I don't know if it's tubular like the Hesers or a "strip" like the Halcyon Scout LEDs.
I was referring to claims that this light was whiter than others and with exceptionally long run time as compared to others with the same configuration.
What I'm hearing you say is, "Yeah, if you put that same LED in another light with the same batteries, then you'll get the same performance (in terms of light color, output, and longevity) that you do out of a Heser." I totally agree, and see no argument.
...So now all we need to do is find another light that uses the same LED, and we'll have a similar-performing light without all the durability and solidity of the Heser.
...Or you could just own a Heser and get the advantages of all of it.
Maybe if you used my backup you'd have a different impression as well.
Honestly, I'd like that. I'd love to see that light and how it compares. Could we justify the expense difference? Would there be a significant difference between the two?
Here's one supplier, prices are in Euros...
LedRise - High Power LEDs
I don't see the Heser's sealed unit available there. I know you keep telling me that an LED is an LED, but clearly, I can see a huge performance difference between what came in my Hesers and every other light out there... So I have to assume that it's got something to do with that LED unit.
...Which I don't see available anywhere.
This is a false argument. Who said I could build a Heser for $30. I said you could find a light with the same led and if it had 3 C cells it would have the same runtime all for $30. I said the reason for the higher price and the reason people buy them is because of the build quality and the fact that it's for underwater use.
Oh. I thought you were telling me that you could make a Heser basically for $30. If it's not for underwater use, then the entire concept is moot.
I believe you when you say that you're amazed.
Heh.
Now, now, "debating" is healthy. Arguing is healthy and educational. Insulting is a loser's way of communicating.
As far as I'm concerned, the first one of us to throw out a personal attack loses.
I don't relate with the "constantly modifying your lights" mentality, but that's your call if you want to do it.
This is just not an argument that has anything to do with anything that I have said.
I could argue when talking about Heser that a great quality product is how they described the Edsel and we know how that went. It's just a nonsense argument.
Sorry, I'm unclear as to what you were saying... Are you saying that it's a nonsense argument for someone to say that a product is a "great quality product?" If that's not what we're all after here, then what should we be after... A "poor quality product?" for what it's worth, the Edsel is a classic marketing blunder - they made a car with a very apparent phallic reference. People didn't like it because the front of it was said to look like a male reproductive member. Great product or not, the car failed because of it's public image.
...Which has nothing to do with any of these lights, unless you're building one from a dildo...
That's great but no one is arguing otherwise. This still has nothing to do with run time or with the whiteness of the light and everything to do with build quality which I have said many times and in many ways is good.
I feel like we're losing focus here... What are we "arguing" about then?
No worries, my friend - at some point if we ever meet up in our scuba travels, I'd be really interested in seeing the light that you pictured in your last post - and I'll show you one of my Hesers.
