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"Desperately fumbling around in the near darkness they managed to locate the cord and swim out of the cave, but 5 had gone in and only 3 came out, and as the hours passed the realization dawned that their colleagues were lost."
I must be misreading that. Please explain how that is the police team and not the group of folks who died. The article isn't very well written, so I might be missing something.
Pretty clearly, the accident that involved five divers is the old one. There is one diver missing from the current event, and no information about that event appears to be presented in the article, except that the body has been recovered.
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This First part in red is an update to the earlier story below
"Body of missing diver recovered in Cueva de Agua tragedy, Isla Plana, CartagenaUpdated Monday 5th April.
Divers have now recovered the body of the missing diver following an extensive and prolonged search which involved several teams of specialist divers. The deceased has now been named as Antonio Pedro Martinez from Murcia. The government delegate Rafael Gonzalez Tovar today said that it was the responsibility of the council of Cartagena, within whose municipality the cave falls, to close the access off and prevent another tragedy of this nature occurring again. "Now is the time to regulate this, " he said when questioned at the presentation of 28 new police officers to the region."
below is the original story, in which there is only a report of a missing diver, then tells the story of the police divers 14 years before and how 2 of them died in the cave. befor ethat another diver had also died there
Posted Fri 2nd April.Search teams at the Cueva de Agua in Isla Plana are almost resigned to finding a corpse instead of the missing diver who disappeared yesterday inside the underwater caves off the rocky Carthaginian coastline.
The caves are well known in diving circles as a dangerous underwater labyrinth of interlinked caverns and twisting passages, which attract the foolhardy and those who like the challenge of being able to say they've been there, although following the deaths of two expert police divers almost fourteen years ago to the day, and another French diver 20 years before that, the dive has attracted a reputation as being a cave of death.
The archives from the death of the 2 police divers talk about the experiences of the 3 remaining members of the group from which the 2 failed to return, relating how the waters were clear and visibility was perfect.
They moved deeper and deeper into the rock system, which extends inland beneath the water for more than a km, along the connecting passages, exploring, probing, enjoying the twisting underwater formations and hidden spaces, leaving a cord trail behind which they intended to follow on their exit.
Sensing that oxygen was running low, they turned back and swam into a nightmare, the water had changed from crystal clear and still, to an agitated , churning mass, clouded with sediment and debris which made it impossible to see anything, even their watches were obscured.
Desperately fumbling around in the near darkness they managed to locate the cord and swim out of the cave, but 5 had gone in and only 3 came out, and as the hours passed the realization dawned that their colleagues were lost.
It took 35 days to recover the bodies, such is the complexity of the underground system, and since then warning notices have clearly warned divers not to enter and risk their lives.
But humans are humans, and we've only developed to what we are today through our desire to learn and explore , and the thrill gained by pushing ourselves that one step further, that one challenge more.
As the hours pass with no news, it's looking increasingly likely that this was just one challenge too many for the Murcian man who has disappeared within the caves, and although specialist diving teams from Madrid have joined the search, the chances of finding him in an airpocket alive decrease by the minute.
This First part in red is an update to the earlier story below
"Body of missing diver recovered in Cueva de Agua tragedy, Isla Plana, CartagenaUpdated Monday 5th April.
Divers have now recovered the body of the missing diver following an extensive and prolonged search which involved several teams of specialist divers. The deceased has now been named as Antonio Pedro Martinez from Murcia. The government delegate Rafael Gonzalez Tovar today said that it was the responsibility of the council of Cartagena, within whose municipality the cave falls, to close the access off and prevent another tragedy of this nature occurring again. "Now is the time to regulate this, " he said when questioned at the presentation of 28 new police officers to the region."
below is the original story, in which there is only a report of a missing diver, then tells the story of the police divers 14 years before and how 2 of them died in the cave. befor ethat another diver had also died there
Posted Fri 2nd April.Search teams at the Cueva de Agua in Isla Plana are almost resigned to finding a corpse instead of the missing diver who disappeared yesterday inside the underwater caves off the rocky Carthaginian coastline.
The caves are well known in diving circles as a dangerous underwater labyrinth of interlinked caverns and twisting passages, which attract the foolhardy and those who like the challenge of being able to say they've been there, although following the deaths of two expert police divers almost fourteen years ago to the day, and another French diver 20 years before that, the dive has attracted a reputation as being a cave of death.
The archives from the death of the 2 police divers talk about the experiences of the 3 remaining members of the group from which the 2 failed to return, relating how the waters were clear and visibility was perfect.
They moved deeper and deeper into the rock system, which extends inland beneath the water for more than a km, along the connecting passages, exploring, probing, enjoying the twisting underwater formations and hidden spaces, leaving a cord trail behind which they intended to follow on their exit.
Sensing that oxygen was running low, they turned back and swam into a nightmare, the water had changed from crystal clear and still, to an agitated , churning mass, clouded with sediment and debris which made it impossible to see anything, even their watches were obscured.
Desperately fumbling around in the near darkness they managed to locate the cord and swim out of the cave, but 5 had gone in and only 3 came out, and as the hours passed the realization dawned that their colleagues were lost.
It took 35 days to recover the bodies, such is the complexity of the underground system, and since then warning notices have clearly warned divers not to enter and risk their lives.
But humans are humans, and we've only developed to what we are today through our desire to learn and explore , and the thrill gained by pushing ourselves that one step further, that one challenge more.
As the hours pass with no news, it's looking increasingly likely that this was just one challenge too many for the Murcian man who has disappeared within the caves, and although specialist diving teams from Madrid have joined the search, the chances of finding him in an airpocket alive decrease by the minute.
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rjack wrote
Is that really true? Do you have actual knowledge of that? "A fair number of instructors" train technical divers this way? I certainly don't know the truth behind that statement but I would like some more information on it please.
regardless to the point of my inclusion of that here in this thread. Obviously people dont embark on a tech dive thinking they will die or face the worst possible situations, but they happen. Not often to be sure. However when they do they take lives MUCH more than they should, the reason they take lives is that when you train for a easy dive, there aren't many tools in the box for a hard dive. If you train to handle the "impossible" extreme situations with multiple failures a single failure, no matter how extreme is more likely to be managed quickly and correctly, preventing, mitigating or slowing the snowball effect that ultimately kills.
come hang out with me a few weekends at some popular tech training locations here in the SE, I bet we can find lots of examples....:depressed:
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