What Makes Divers a "DIR Diver"?

[do it easy]

well there's Kentucky Fried Chicken, Boston baked beans, Texas hots, California rolls, Louisiana hot sauce, Buffalo wings, Arizona iced tea, Long Island iced tea, Kansas city steaks, Ney York strip steaks, Philly cheese steaks, Seattle's Best, New England clahm chowdah, New York clam chowder, Brunswick Stew, and a city in MA called Sandwich.

 

[Tollie]

Like the system itself the definition of a DIR diver IMO is holistic. You cant have just one piece.

It consists of a knowledge base, skills set, gear configuration and most important an attitude towards safety and ongoing improvement.

There are variations in the knowledge base, skills set, and gearing based on dive environment and level of training but a common attitude towards learning and safety accross all environments and training levels.

 

[Data]

Thats exacatly what I was talking about "I read a page and a half of stuff and since I am able to read, I understand what it says...so IM DIR!!!"

I dont think so.

nowhere did I say you read a page and a half and you're dir.
I can show you some drafts my attorneys wrote for me, I have you read it and we'll see how much you understand of it (being able to read doesn't mean you understand what you read)
and conveniently you leave out the most important part: "fully understand and apply......

Im gonna have to go w/ GUE training, WKPP, or training from AG now that he is doing his own thing.

good decision

Another thing that I have a problem grasping is how do you do some dives "DIR" and others not?

if you use your bcd and go on a 30' fish watching dive you're not dir

IT IS MORE THAN GEAR!!!!!!!!!!!

it sure is, if you have the perfect gear setup and go on a solo dive, again, you're not dir.
so, there are many ways to do one dive dir and another dive not dir.

Heck if its that easy maby in DIR-F they should just sit you in a circle and read that article to you! that way you can "be DIR" and understand everything about the whole system

again, you're taking things out of context and leaving out the most important part, but if you sit in a circle, read those articles, understand what you read and apply all that to your next dive, you're diving dir.

Really? for some wild reason I thought that DIR-fundamentals was only the FUNDAMENTALS of DIR.

and????
it doesn't matter what agency you are certified with, you can always be dir (even without having taken the dir-f


now a little site note.
I usually stay out of forum debates and something has to light that spark that I give my ppO2.
the reason for that being.
so many people take other peoples quotes completely out of context, just like this.
nowhere did I ever say that you have to read a page and a half and then be dir, the most important part is to apply all that you have read and understood, but that was conveniently left out.
I wonder how much you really understand when you read something, since you just proved you didn't even understand what I wrote and that was just a tiny little paragraph.

I'm outa here.

 

[StSomewhere]

Gee Andy I can't imagine why more people are lining up for the opportunity to be smacked down. Classic troll post though, and that it was started by a mod in the DIR forum makes it even more so. :roll:

 

[Rick Inman]

Gee Andy I can't imagine why more people are lining up for the opportunity to be smacked down. Classic troll post though, and that it was started by a mod in the DIR forum makes it even more so. :roll:

I think it's an interesting question.

IF we can all be civil and state our opinions without attacking the opinions of others, there could be something good to learn here.

 

[StSomewhere]

Reading back through the thread, we much have different definitions of civility.

 

[gjm]

I’m posting this as an outsider looking in. I instruct for another agency and have never had the opportunity of diving with DIR divers. But when I hear about DIR divers this is what comes to mind:

A group of divers who are willing to drop individual preference with gear and procedures for conformity in order to make the dive team more effective both in normal situation and emergency situation. (i.e. OOA)

A focus on basic and fundamental skills that will aid in all diving situations. In addition being willing to spend time working on the basic skills.

Seek an understanding of what is happening to their bodies while underwater and making decisions based that knowledge as opposed to blindly following a table or computer.

A willingness to make changes above water with regards to life style to have a better dive experience underwater.

A willingness to work with other divers to make them better divers.

Just an outsider's opinion.

Enjoy the dive

john

 

[*Floater*]

I've noticed 2 types of 'DIR divers', those that "do it right" or don't do it all, and those that accept most of what DIR advocates teach as the ideal way to dive, but will still do it another way if "doing it right" is prohibited by cost, available equipment, lack of skill or other factors. i bet most of the DIR divers here fall into the latter group, yet one might argue that they aren't really DIR at all...

Example, the flutter kick in not DIR (according to my understanding), but I still use it in strong currents because my frokick is not strong enough for them, whereas a GUE instructor I talked with recently said he'd rather not dive at all if the frogkick wasn't strong enough for the conditions. (his logic for aborting the dive had to do with co2, safety and such.) But then again, he probably had a pretty powerful frogkick...

 

[WaterDawg]

Im sure that if you read that gear page on the site and UNDERSTAND it (after all much of it may make perfect sense as it is explained in detail) and APPLY it (actually do what it says) that to others you might appear to "be DIR" but if the next day your doing a solo dive, I would argue that you really did NOT understand it at all!

The thing is this, there is much more to DIR than what is written for you to read (and yes understand because it is written plainly and clearly and apply) I believe I had read everything there was about it, had the best mentors, etc and when I took my class I was still given lots of new info.

If you read and understand and actually apply a what you’ve read on Karate, or other activity I doubt that you would be considered a practitioner by others, however you may have all the gear, and know the terminology. If you walked into a NYC Boxing gym and said “Im a boxer! cause I’ve read and understand this here book, although I have never had a certified trainer observe if I have applied it correctly.” You might get a good chuckle from them too.

 

[daniel f aleman]

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