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do you ramble on like this when you speak to people face to face?
What if you need to use some of that 500 psi contigency reserve?
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do you ramble on like this when you speak to people face to face?
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I already told you in another thread ... every agency that teaches you to dive with a buddy. That would be all of them.
That's what I'm talking about ... you CLEARLY do not understand the fundamental concept of diving with a dive buddy.Papa_Bear:
... and you also CLEARLY don't understand that the surest way to induce panic in a diver is to refuse to share air with them in an emergency. The best way to avoid panic is to be a proactive dive buddy ... like EVERY AGENCY teaches divers they should do.Papa_Bear:
You're entitled to your opinion, Papa Bear. I'm entitled to disagree with it.
Personally, I'm far more comfortable with my training than with yours ... yours taught you to avoid the panicked diver, mine taught me to help them take care of the problem before panic becomes an issue ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
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This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on ScubaBoard.
I sincerely hope NO ONE is taking this guy seriously, and that no new divers are believing his BS.
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The scary thing is somewhere, somplace, someone will think he knows what he is talking about and dive with him or worse dive like him.
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This should be facinating. I just posted a poll to see how many people would dive with someone that refused to share air in an emergency.
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ba...e-who-wouldn-t-share-air-if-you-were-ooa.html
Terry
Since you keep bringing it up, quite simply, any agency teaching the idea of rock bottom is expressly stating that at a minimum, the last 500psi (and typically much more than that) belongs to the team. Gas planning means you and your team make it home, not "it's better to have one dead diver than two."
An agency doesn't have to tell me not to be a 
who watches someone die. Honestly, if you and I were in the water, I had some catastrophic failure, and you refused air to me, you wouldn't have to worry about feeling guilty later. Like you said, guilt is for the living. 
who watches someone die. Honestly, if you and I were in the water, I had some catastrophic failure, and you refused air to me, you wouldn't have to worry about feeling guilty later. Like you said, guilt is for the living. 
I think we're all playng P_B's game, and this is all a spoof. Sure hope so anyway.
I think we would all agree that converting one fatality into two is not improving the outcome. And I think we would also all agree that donating gas is, in most cases, an act of volition. My gas IS my gas, and I decide who gets it.
But in my case, I decided before I got in the water, that either of my teammates may have it if they need it. And for that reason, I also do a little pre-planning, to make sure I'm carrying enough gas that having to share would never put me in the position of becoming another fatality. It's not that difficult to do.
If I found myself in a position where sharing gas with a buddy meant my demise, it would tell me that either Mr. Murphy had control of the dive from the beginning (multiple major failures) or that my planning and execution of the dive was horribly flawed. I can't 100% prevent the first, but by God, I can (and do) prevent the second.
But in my case, I decided before I got in the water, that either of my teammates may have it if they need it. And for that reason, I also do a little pre-planning, to make sure I'm carrying enough gas that having to share would never put me in the position of becoming another fatality. It's not that difficult to do.
If I found myself in a position where sharing gas with a buddy meant my demise, it would tell me that either Mr. Murphy had control of the dive from the beginning (multiple major failures) or that my planning and execution of the dive was horribly flawed. I can't 100% prevent the first, but by God, I can (and do) prevent the second.
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The reason you might want 500PSI in your tank is because you target having 500PSI in your tank?
What?
Okay, then why do you target having 500PSI in your tank?
(PLEASE don't tell me because you might want to have 500PSI in your tank)
Though some things are antiquated, very little in dive education is without basis. Sharing IS the reason for which divers are taught to reserve gas.
Sharing is possibly the most important skill in diving. That's why many of us practice sharing each and every time we dive.
As Bob mentioned, we also do the basic arithmetic before hand to compute how much gas will be needed to safely ascend two divers from the deepest (or, in the case of penetration, furthest) portion of the dive. As long as we don't breathe more than that amount at depth, there is absolutely nothing dangerous about sharing. Once you have air, the emergency is over, and the knowledge that your buddy has enough air for the both of you prevents panic.
Is it dangerous to share your air when you don't have enough to do so? Sure. But the prudent, conscientious and appropriate decision is to have enough air, not to not share.
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