What if you need to use some of that 500 psi contigency reserve?

[MXGratefulDiver]

I am still waiting for all the stats of all the dead divers who ran out of air underwater? Most drownings happen on the surface not under the water and most underwater drownings are due to panic not out of air! So before you convict someone know your facts!

In the past two years, we've had five diver deaths locally.

Three of those five ran out of air underwater. Two embolized attempting to reach the surface and died while attempts were being made to rescue them. The other one was found on the bottom ... in a bit more than 200 feet of water ... 9 months after he died ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Blox]

It is the responsibility of each diver to manage and monitor their air! Not mine, not a DM, not your Mother! It is yours!

Sure as heck is, but you keep ignoring that equipment malfunctions do happen, which can leave a diver OOA without any fault of his own, and regardless of how meticulously he planned the dive, and managed and monitored his air.

 

[Blox]

Honestly, I can't believe some of the crap that's being spewed in this thread. If it weren't dangerous, it'd be funny.

Amen!

 

[Papa_Bear]

So your point is Stuff happens? Yes it does! With your car on the way as well! Each case is different and if they are dead you don't know what they were thinking! In how many dives? 200ft? A little beyond rec limits!!!! 45000 drivers died last year on Americas Roads! So see! I would rather be diving!

 

[Randy43068]

So your point is Stuff happens? Yes it does! With your car on the way as well! Each case is different and if they are dead you don't know what they were thinking! In how many dives? 200ft? A little beyond rec limits!!!! 45000 drivers died last year on Americas Roads! So see! I would rather be diving!

I wouldn't dive with you, ever.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

So your point is Stuff happens? Yes it does! With your car on the way as well! Each case is different and if they are dead you don't know what they were thinking! In how many dives? 200ft? A little beyond rec limits!!!! 45000 drivers died last year on Americas Roads! So see! I would rather be diving!

There's no question that I'd rather be diving ... but you're mixing your statistics, and dancing all around an issue you obviously don't understand. The sad thing is that it's also obvious you refuse to even try to understand.

Certainly each case is different. But one thing is constant ... the entire basis for diving with a buddy is to provide redundancy in the event of unforeseen circumstances. If I can't rely on my dive buddy to help me if needed, then I don't want to be in the water with that person.

My air isn't mine ... it's a team resource, just like my buddy's air is. We plan accordingly, which means that we determine how much air each of us is carrying, and decide at what level we should leave the deepest part of the dive ... before the dive even starts. We base that decision on the amount of gas it would take to get us both to the surface safely if one of us should ... FOR ANY REASON ... lose access to our air supply.

No ... it's not rocket science. In fact, it's damn simple ... takes less than a minute to determine. Refusal to do it isn't an option with me ... it's a sign of laziness, or ignorance ... and not something I'll abide in a dive buddy.

But if you're not willing to do it ... if there's any question that you're going to hesitate to share your air with me in an emergency ... then I'm not diving with you.

You dive any way you want ... but personally, I'd never trust myself or anyone I cared about to dive with someone who thinks like you, because they're basically diving solo.

It's no wonder that you think panicked divers are the most dangerous things in the water. What is it, do you suppose, that causes them to panic? Maybe it's knowing that they're in the water with someone they can't trust ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Randy43068]

Bob, he has no concept of "TEAM" or of diving in a team. He's also got his mind made up that he knows everything there is to know about diving, and you, nor anyone else is going to be able to cause him to think otherwise.

I can't decide if he's a troll, or actually believes the things he posts. No kidding, I shudder reading some of his ramblings.

 

[Papa_Bear]

I wouldn't dive with you either! Anyone who doesn't understand that it is your air and that you are capable of assessing the situation and making the right decision is not fit to dive! You will run the risk of killing two for the price of one! This topic is about the reason you might want 500psi in your tank! One reason is it is a target pressure! But again no one ever drown because they only had 300psi in their tank at the end of the dive.

I am still waiting to hear what agency teaches you that the last 500psi or any air belongs to the team! Your air belongs to you! Period! End of story! Air is life underwater and my life is mine! Period! If I chose to give it, then I choice to, not you our some agency or a Card! If your training didn't tell you that, then you are not trained! Period! End of story! The most important thing underwater is air! The tank on YOUR back is Yours! Period! End of story! PANIC KILLS!

 

[JeffG]

See, there is a reason for rule #1.

 

[Randy43068]

See, there is a reason for rule #1.

Boy I guess so. He's completely missing the point.. then again he has NO concept of the TEAM, only the Papa Bear team of 1.

I can't resist thinking of the "S" word to describe him just as Rule #1 suggests.