What Happens when an Isolator Manifold Fails?

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Manifold failure will result in gas leaking through the failure point (either left or right). You must be able to shut the isolator valve and abort your dive. Gas will continue to leak from the system until the cylinder on the leaking side is empty; not being able to shut the isolator will eventualy result in gas loss from the entire system. Gas will not leak from both side of the manifold. Both regs will continue to work until the pressure is too low to drive them.

The drysuit/BC scenario is a no brainer as you will be aborting your dive and therefore only need to vent the suit/BC on your way up. BC can also be orally inflated if needed.
 
Sidemount

I like back-mounted doubles, no interest in sidemount. I could just sling an AL40 or 80 for redundancy, but I feel like enough of a tank as is, and don't need 30 more lbs hanging off me during shore dive entries.
 
do people not teach oral inflation of bc's anymore? Good lord, they exist for a reason, you can ALWAYS inflate if you can breathe.... If you can't breathe, there's no point in inflation because you aren't going to change net buoyancy anyway.

If you are that spooked by an isolation manifold, dive independent doubles. Add an SPG to the right bottle, and learn to dive that way.

Tank/Manifold failures and their consequences/resolutions

Tank neck o-ring- that bottle is dead, shut valve and isolation manifold, breathe off of other tank, ascent.

Tank valve o-ring failure -shut valve off, shut isolation manifold off, breathe off of other tank, ascent *this includes burst disc, and any o-ring failures on the valve posts including crossbar o-ring failure.

Tank valve seat failure: shut valve off, breathe off of other tank, should still have full gas access as long as it was the seat not the o-ring. Odd's of this happening during a dive are 0 if you did your equipment checks properly since the seat is open during use.
Isolation valve failure: Catastrophic gas failure....

Other than that not much can go wrong, and it shouldn't go wrong. If you are that paranoid, dive independent doubles, but the odds of any of those things going wrong during diving are pretty low. Most of the time they will happen during filling when the pressure is going up not down, or during gear assembly when everything is turning. Most common valve failure is one of the O-rings behind the knob, it will start leaking when you open the tank. It can be replaced just by removing the knob, and if the valves get serviced every year like they should be, you should never see that problem. Neck O-rings don't usually go, especially in doubles where the tanks and manifold are locked in. More common in singles where the valve can move a little bit when the pressures get low enough and the o-ring will extrude itself during filling. Seat failures are rare, but will show up during gear up or filling when they are being manipulated, never heard of or seen one during a dive. Manifold o-rings can go, but you'll likely never see it since the modern ones are all triple sealed, so pretty rare for all three to go.

Balanced rigs are important, and if you don't trust yourself to get out of your rig at the surface during a panic you shouldn't be diving, certainly not in that rig. You should have learned surface gear removal and replacement in your OW class, and it should be repeated in every class thereafter, you should be practicing it somewhat regularly, especially in doubles and a drysuit where you don't have the confidence in yourself. Suicide strap grabbing your mask is inexcusable as that is the first thing to come off, get clipped to your primary, then both to the right shoulder d-ring. Very simple to get in and out of doubles at the surface, but if you are prone to panic you need to learn to ride that dragon and control it, otherwise if something happens, you're going to eat it. That simple.
 
Are we for reals talking about a manifold failure, bc failure, and drysuit failure all at the same time?
 
Would be an interesting dive thou.....
 
I am surprised that a mono-block isolation manifold to minimize failure points has not hit the market. XS Scuba recently introduced and “old school” doubles manifold for one regulator and no isolation, but it gives me hope. Now if we could only convince the DOT to ditch blow-out plugs on life support cylinders like in Europe.

http://www.xsscuba.com/graphics/valves/manifold_lg_pvd_thermo.jpg
Vintage Manifold.jpg

The argument that adjustment between cylinder centers is required is easily handled by providing spacers that limit the distance between them. Here is a simple example. Note the white block on the bolt holding the bands at the end of the red line.
LP-45 Band Mod.jpg
 
Some tech training also includes the use of a lift bag as back up buoyancy in an emergency. I like that better than relying on the dry suit.
 
akimbo, did you just cut those from a block of pvc?

I cut them on a table saw from a sheet of 1/2" UHMWPE in the shop. PVC, ABS, or Aluminum would be fine too. Acrylic would probably stress crack over time under much force. It is a simple way to set precise minimum spacing with all the manufacturing tolerances in bands and cylinder diameters.

Edit: Perhaps more important is they force the cylinders to be parallel.
 
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