What Defines a "Tech" Diver

[NW Dive Dawg]

Are you simultaneously (from your profile) a scuba instructor and a divemaster? Or does the former supplant the latter?

I'm both.....even when I'm sleeping.... Kinda like being a college graduate and a high school graduate.

 

[tursiops]

Yes to both. If you hold a higher cert you are still the lower as well.

So in my case I'm a DM and a instructor. I didn't lose DM when I became an instructor.

I'm both.....even when I'm sleeping.... Kinda like being a college graduate and a high school graduate.

So you are saying the person can be both descriptors.
What about the activity? Can a person be simultaneously divemastering and instructing?

 

[formernuke]

So you are saying the person can be both descriptors.
What about the activity? Can a person be simultaneously divemastering and instructing?

No, but you are both. You just act as one or none on any given dive.

If I go diving with a friend as a buddy. I don't lose my DM or instructor status. I am not acting as either I'm just a buddy for that dive, but I'm still both a DM and an instructor.

 

[tursiops]

No, but you are both. You just act as one or none on any given dive.

If I go diving with a friend as a buddy. I don't lose my DM or instructor status. I am not acting as either I'm just a buddy for that dive, but I'm still both a DM and an instructor.

It is useful to separate the person from the activity.

Otherwise we get into the silly situation of a new recreational diver -- let's say OW with 10 dives total -- deciding to go to 180 ft on an AL80 to see the Windjammer in Bonaire. He is told, "That's a bad idea, you will probably go into deco, you may not have enough gas, you'll get severely narced, if anything goes wrong you do not have the training or experience or redundancy to make that a safe dive." He responds, "Well, I've decided it's OK because if you call yourself a technical diver then you can do technical dives. And I read on the old US Navy tables that if I go to 180 ft for less than 10 minutes, and do a 3 min safety stop, I'll be OK. Those old Navy tables are still good, right?"

 

[formernuke]

It is useful to separate the person from the activity.

Otherwise we get into the silly situation of a new recreational diver -- let's say OW with 10 dives total -- deciding to go to 180 ft on an AL80 to see the Windjammer in Bonaire. He is told, "That's a bad idea, you will probably go into deco, you may not have enough gas, you'll get severely narced, if anything goes wrong you do not have the training or experience or redundancy to make that a safe dive." He responds, "Well, I've decided it's OK because if you call yourself a technical diver then you can do technical dives. And I read on the old US Navy tables that if I go to 180 ft for less than 10 minutes, and do a 3 min safety stop, I'll be OK. Those old Navy tables are still good, right?"

The ones that got a lot of navy divers bent, yup still good for getting bent,

 

[scubadada]

It is useful to separate the person from the activity.

Otherwise we get into the silly situation of a new recreational diver -- let's say OW with 10 dives total -- deciding to go to 180 ft on an AL80 to see the Windjammer in Bonaire. He is told, "That's a bad idea, you will probably go into deco, you may not have enough gas, you'll get severely narced, if anything goes wrong you do not have the training or experience or redundancy to make that a safe dive." He responds, "Well, I've decided it's OK because if you call yourself a technical diver then you can do technical dives. And I read on the old US Navy tables that if I go to 180 ft for less than 10 minutes, and do a 3 min safety stop, I'll be OK. Those old Navy tables are still good, right?"

This came up earlier in the thread. No ceiling, no special gases, is this a recreational dive? What Defines a "Tech" Diver No argument from me, it is stupid.

 

[formernuke]

This came up earlier in the thread. No ceiling, no special gases, is this a recreational dive? What Defines a "Tech" Diver No argument from me, it is stupid.

I just looked closely at that, 80/95 GF!!!!!! Very stupid.

 

[scubadada]

I just looked closely at that, 80/95 GF!!!!!! Very stupid.

For the dive to 187 feet, or in general? The dive to 187 feet was simply an example of how depth was not being included in the definition of a technical dive.

I dive 80/95 for my rec dives. For my last 500 dives on a Teric, I have used SurfGF and have not surfaced with a GF higher than the low 80s Before that, I utilized an adaptive strategy. My other computer is an Oceanic, running DSAT, it runs close to a GF high of 95. I have a little over 2200 successful dives using DSAT since 2002.

 

[formernuke]

For the dive to 187 feet, or in general? The dive to 187 feet was simply an example of how depth was not being included in the definition of a technical dive.

187 on air and that GF

I included depth in my definition. Mine is anything which exceeds currently established recreational limits including depth. See my first post in this thread I say below 130.

 

[scubadada]

187 on air and that GF

I included depth in my definition. Mine is anything which exceeds currently established recreational limits including depth. See my first post in this thread I say below 130.

The majority did not include exceeding 130 feet as a technical dive if there was no decompression obligation. The 187 foot example was simply an extreme example. Nobody else chose to comment on it.