Wetsuit under dry suit?

[scubadobadoo]

Would you rather have the original trapped water layer or a new one constantly flowing throught the suit?

The answer is...The original trapped water layer, thus it plays a role. This has been my whole point. I will agree (for the third time now) that my first few posts were misleading but this is the point I was originally trying to make. If the original water layer wasn't important, you wouldn't want to keep it. It is part of the equation, it will always be part of the equation when using a WET suit, even if it was originally an unwanted part. This water layer was called a "necessary evil" a few posts back. That's because it is evil but it can't be done away with and therefore it is necessary and wet suits are designed to deal with this necessary evil.

 

[JeffG]

that my first few posts were misleading

They weren't misleading. They were out and out wrong. But instead of saying "Oops...I made a mistake", you are trying real hard to spin-doctor your point of view that "you weren't wrong". Kind of pitiful in a way.

 

[scubadobadoo]

That specific statement is wrong, I confess.

Once again Jeff, you are mistaken about what I did and didn't say. The above quote was taken from my post. Post #21 of 62 posts and was refering to my original few posts as was the above and partial quote.

Now, shall we continue with what I have been arguing for over 40 posts and not what you think I have been arguing the whole time? The question I have asked now 3 times without an answer from you or Hum is...

Do you want that original layer of trapped water or do you want it to flow constantly? If you say the original trapped layer of water then I have proven my point that I have been arguing now for well over 40 posts. The trapped layer of water is a factor in heat loss, not the only factor, but it does play a role.

 

[JeffG]

Once again Jeff, you are mistaken about what I did and didn't say.

Nope...Read your own posts

#1

The neoprene itself doesn't keep you warm.

It's the water that is trapped between your body and the neoprene that is heated by YOU that keeps you from freezing to death sooner than you would without the wet suit.

What part of this is understanding how a wetsuit works....and there is no "misunderstanding" what you are saying.



and again Post #2 again showing no true understanding of how a wetsuit works.

The thicker neoprene keeps the colder water on the outside of the wet suit from cooling that trapped water sooner. A well fitting wet suit, regardless of thickness, should be pretty tight or it can't do its job.

It really is all about keeping that trapped water from cooling longer. Your body heats that trapped water and thus your body does cool in the process, but because of the wet suit, that trapped water stays warmer longer and is warmer than the ocean on the outside. Your body temp would sooner equal the ocean temp without a wet suit to keep a layer of trapped water inside your suit warmer.

Dry undies and wet suits are apples and oranges.

The rest of your posts are just your spin-doctoring.

 

[scubadobadoo]

Nope...Read your own posts

#1


What part of this is understanding how a wetsuit works....and there is no "misunderstanding" what you are saying.



and again Post #2 again showing no true understanding of how a wetsuit works.




The rest of your posts are just your spin-doctoring.

I meant you lied and were wrong when you stated that I couldn't and never confessed to being wrong in any way and I proved you a liar by quoting myself above from post #21.

Are you for real? I just quoted myself from post #21 where I clearly stated that what I originally wrote was wrong. That was a long time ago! Then you quote those same posts AGAIN? Maybe I am wrong but #21 comes AFTER post #1 and#2 right? Can you read PAST posts #1 and #2? I don't think you can. How can you say I never said I was wrong when I just quoted myself as saying that exact thing a LONG TIME AGO?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my above question.

Thanks for your patience folks. Sorry for all the silliness.

Do you want that original layer of trapped water or do you want it to flow constantly?

 

[JeffG]

I meant you lied and were wrong when you stated that I couldn't and never confessed to being wrong in any way and I proved you a liar by quoting myself above from post #21.

You are absolutely amazing.

 

[jiveturkey]

You are absolutely amazing.

Is "amazing" really the word you were going for here? :14:

 

[scubadobadoo]

They weren't misleading. They were out and out wrong. But instead of saying "Oops...I made a mistake", you are trying real hard to spin-doctor your point of view that "you weren't wrong". Kind of pitiful in a way.

I again refer you to post #21 (a long time ago) where I state, "That specific statement is wrong, I confess."

You may call me pitiful if you like but please don't make me out to be a liar. Me being pitiful is an opinion you are entitled to but you being a liar is a fact and the above quote proves it. You lied about what it was I said. If you don't want to debate in a friendly manner then I suggest you don't debate.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question...Do you want that original layer of trapped water to stay in your wet suit or do you want new water to constantly flow in and out?

You can't answer this question because it proves that I'm not wrong. I'm not trying to prove that you are wrong, and never have. For the 20th time, almost all of the statements made about wet suits being an insulator are correct and I agree. The sticking point is when people say that the layer of water inside the suit doesn't play a role in heat loss minimization. If it didn't play a role, then keeping it in the suit wouldn't be necessary.

 

[HarryWhisman]

Its a stupid idea.

That hurt.:sulkoff:
Thanks Ber. :lilbunny:

 

[jiveturkey]

That hurt.:sulkoff:
Thanks Ber. :lilbunny:

Don't take it so hard. You're obviously not the only one to think of it.