Wetsuit under dry suit?

[Humuhumunukunukuapua'a]

LOL...Keep on squirming...talk to yourself long enough you should be able to convince yourself that the world is flat.

LOL...seriously, scubadoobadoo...your explanations don't make any sense according to the rules of physics. So what if it is warmer water in your suit? It is still a heat drain on you and has ZERO to do with keeping you warmer. You sound really revisionist clinging to this weird concept of it all being a system, when your first reply said:

The neoprene itself doesn't keep you warm. It's the water that is trapped between your body and the neoprene that is heated by YOU that keeps you from freezing to death sooner than you would without the wet suit.

Seriously...quit while you're behind. You're wrong...you really really are...it's a myth...

 

[wardric]

All of this made me realize that a wetsuit under a dry would not be efficient for one reason: neoprene is impervious to water. So you will sweat in it and the water will stay close to your skin, therefore draining your body heat. That is why cotton is not a good undergarment (in a drysuit or if you do winter sports, under snowcoats) and lifa or polar is much better 'cause they keep the water away from your skin.

Gosh, all that blabla finally got usefull

 

[scubadobadoo]

Just because it steals less heat doesn't mean it creates heat.

CORRECT. My point all along. I NEVER stated that it creates heat. I did state that it (the water layer) is part of the equation once it has entered and has absorbed heat from the body. Thus, it (added: aids in) MINIMIZES the heat drain.

 

[Humuhumunukunukuapua'a]

You used the word minimize. "Minimizes...the heat drain." That's my whole point! You agree.

I want to make it very clear that I do not agree with you about how wetsuits work.

Now, if you want to convince me about this flat Earth thing, I'll listen, but I know how wetsuits work. The water is a heat drain, as your quote indicates, whether you understand the quote or not.

 

[Humuhumunukunukuapua'a]

CORRECT. My point all along. I NEVER stated that it creates heat. I did state that it (the water layer) is part of the equation once it has entered and has absorbed heat from the body. Thus, it MINIMIZES the heat drain.

WRONG. The water in the suit CREATES the heat drain. The fact that your suit is well-fitting minimizes the heat drain by limiting water flowthrough. The heat drain is directly attributable to the water.

It just isn't rocket science. You're disproving your own argument...

 

[scubadobadoo]

LOL...seriously, scubadoobadoo...your explanations don't make any sense according to the rules of physics. So what if it is warmer water in your suit? It is still a heat drain on you and has ZERO to do with keeping you warmer. You sound really revisionist clinging to this weird concept of it all being a system, when your first reply said:



Seriously...quit while you're behind. You're wrong...you really really are...it's a myth...

I see you are STILL quoting only part of my FIRST post where I clearly stated several times that I did mislead the original poster by not including all of the facts. Please stop going back to that and try explaining why you were intitially wrong about dry suits and why you just agreed with all my points in your post above by stating that the water layer minimizes heat loss like I have stated all along.

 

[do it easy]

So why the H... did I feel warmer with water in my boots than at the surface during all those ice dives:06: :06: :06:

Maybe the water temp was warmer than the air temp. Throw in some wind and evaporative cooling and your feet will feel much colder above than under water.

I did a few wet dives lately where the air and water temp were similar and I felt much colder at the surface than underwater. This was due to the fact that the wind was kicking and cooling my wetsuit above water, but not below.

 

[Humuhumunukunukuapua'a]

I see you are STILL quoting only part of my FIRST post where I clearly stated several times that I did mislead the original poster by not including all of the facts. Please stop going back to that and try explaining why you were intitially wrong about dry suits and why you just agreed with all my points in your post above by stating that the water layer minimizes heat loss like I have stated all along.

Uh...what? I know you have been educated since your first post, but don't try to pretend you understood the nature of wetsuits when you made that post. You didn't, and still do not.

And I don't agree with you at all. You're wrong on this one...the wetsuit minimizes the heat loss. The water in the suit CREATES the heat loss...

You don't work in a scientific field do you?

 

[JeffG]

You don't work in a scientific field do you?

With the dancing he's doing, you might think he was a lawyer.

 

[scubadobadoo]

WRONG. The water in the suit CREATES the heat drain. The fact that your suit is well-fitting minimizes the heat drain by limiting water flowthrough. The heat drain is directly attributable to the water.

It just isn't rocket science. You're disproving your own argument...

I agree. But how can the warmer water inside the wet suit not be part of the equation when it's called a WET suit? I don't think we are really arguing the same thing here. I have stated in my last several posts that I get it and that I agree. My point, as you also stated above, is that once the water on the inside is warmer, it does "minimize" the heat drain. Therefore, it is part of the equation. It is the source of the drain, yes, but it's still called a wet suit, water does get in, so it is part of the equation. This is really a minor point I'm making here.

I get (for the 400th time) that the water isn't warming you up and isn't the insulator, but it's called a WET suit and that is how we started. It's not called a dry suit. Water is part of it. That's why they weren't designed to be used in a dry suit. That's where we started. You are arguing a point for me that I'm not sure I even made in the first place. How many times do I have to say that I agree with you except that the water layer plays a role. Again, you stated that the water layer minimizes heat loss. Are you now contradicting your own statement?

It's main job is to absorb heat, I get it, and always have. Nonetheless, once it is trapped, it is part of the equation of MINIMIZING HEAT LOSSCOMPARED TO THE JOB THE COLDER WATER ON THE OUTSIDE WOULD DO TO YOUR BODY HEAT. Yes, the wet suit facilitates this, as I have stated many times, but that first water layer is now playing a role. You can't deny that. Even the Scubadiving.com link points out that what I am saying is partly true. I agree, only partly, and that's why I stated (long ago) that what I said ORIGINALLY was a bit misleading.

Would you rather have the original water layer in your suit or would you rather it change constantly? If you say that you would like to keep the original one then you agree that it does play a role.

Thanks folks. I always love the time and energy ever member puts into these discussions wether we agree on semantics or not. :05: