Water alone won't keep you well hydrated, will it?

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Think outside sports drinks.

Many of us who cycle (mtn & road) carry small "energy" packets like Clif Shots.

http://www.clifbar.com/eat/eat.cfm?location=shot

Not only are they the pefect compliment to water, but they taste a lot better than a lot of the "sports junk" out there.
 
I've heard that putting a little citric acid, (lime, lemon, etc..), in your water helps you retain more fluids without the bother of all the soium and carbs. Not sure if it's true but I definately can't see the point of replacing salts that you aren't sweating out.
 
dandydon once bubbled...
:...Make your own sports drink: .....of Kool-aid, a small can of sugar, .....
don :h2o:
I agree, we don't need anything fancy. Important points to keep in mind are:
1. We need to increase (bring to the level we should normally be driking, but aren't) the amount of good old fashioned, as found in nature, water the DAY BEFORE and the day of the dive. The concept here is to increase our blood volume, so you have to give the body time to work. <p>
2. The typical American is slighly dehydrated most of the time due to our poor diets and shunning of water and our love of coffee, soda, tea in place of water to quench our thirst. All of which contain duiretics. Hence the call for divers to hydrate.<p>
4. We don't need any fancy sports drinks to hydrate. Just water.<p>
3. Sugar stimulates the bodys urinary function. This of course eliminates the very water we are trying to retain. That is why coke (caffeine and sugar) is very bad about making you urinate and elimante water from the body. Army training teaches to avoid sugared drinks in hot environments as they contribute to dehydration.
http://www.1stgymhealth.com/diuretics.html has more information on sugar as a duiretic.

Sports drinks are formualted more to stimulate thirst and more sales than they are to meet the bodies needs IMHO. Water, just plain water is what the body needs. Now, if you have been sweating a lot and lost a lot of electorlytes, then you could over do the water and suffer "water intoxication", which can result in death in rare cases. But that is rare and requires a lot of exertion such as a marathone or outdoors in very hot weather (as you describe) followed by drinking unimaginable amounts of water to dilute the blood.<p>
 
d33ps1x once bubbled...
...I definately can't see the point of replacing salts that you aren't sweating out.

True, I used that mix most when I was sweating heavily on the dirt & cow farm. We had a really bad hot spell hit in late spring one year, 115 F at times, and I worked streuously with irrigation equipment to save a crop, sweating heavily, drinking 3 gallons of that mix a day at times.

What d33etc misses here is that if one is well hydrated, one is going to urinate frequently, pissing off salts quickly. Rehydratng with RO water, no salts at all, won't work as well.



diverlady once bubbled...
Seems like a lot of trouble. Why not just get powdered Gatorade?

Diverlady

Oops. :bidea: Didn't know that G-ade came in powdered mix. Have to look into it.

For anyone who would like to try this mix, the 3/8 teaspoon of NaCl and 1/8 teaspoon of potassium chloride (what is the symble for potassium? K?) seemed like a bother until I wokred out proportions of a bigger mix:

Using teaspoons, tablespoons, whatever:
Add 3 parts NaCl to 1 part potassium chloride in a zip lock bag, shake to mix well.

Then:
Add 1/2 teaspoon of salt mix, 1/2 cup of sugar, and Kool-aid packet to 2 quarts of water.

This is only half as much sugar as Kool-aid directions suggest, by the way...

don
 
I claim no medical knowledge and I wouldn't know if its true or not but I've recently read that "the short-term action of electrolyte replacement drinks is to increase the extracellular fluid level while decreasing the intracellular fluid level. What this means is, you are actually dehydrated in the body cells, where it may be more critical!" ref J.Odom 2002 Technical Diving International.
As a supervisor working in very hot heat stroke/heat exhaustion conditions in mining, (hot as hell and twice as far) I used to suffer a lot with heat exhaustion. I couldn't understand why my crew were more heat tolerant. On examination of diet and exercise etc the only difference I could determine was that I drank ice water or iced isotonic drinks on the job. When I changed over to drinking water at natural temperature's the exhaustion problems ended. This leads me to think ice cold drinks make the body less heat tolerant.
 
dandydon once bubbled...
:h2o: Corret me if my understand is wrong. This is one of the reasons I come here to chat...

We sweat a lot while farming and running cows here on the high desert, and even our native waters don't have the needed electrolytes. Heat exhaustion and stroke are risks here, but in Scuba - it's DCS. Bottled water purchased when traveling in less developed countries is even emptier, as it's RO or distilled quality.

Make your own sports drink: Buy large jugs of RO water, and pack a few packs of Kool-aid, a small can of sugar, a smaller one of table salt, and a smaller one yet of salt substitude with potassium chloride.

For 2 quarts: 1 pack of Kool-aid, 8 tablespoons sugar, 3/8 teaspoon table salt, 1/8 teaspoon salt substitute. The sugar, sodium and potassium give you the electrolytes.

Comments...?

thanks, don :h2o:

Gatoraide comes in powdered form. Save yourself the trouble, and just get the powdered Gatoraide.

I have found that if you mix the orange Gatoraide powder half and half with Tang, then it tastes better.

The Gatoraide pouches work great for international scuba travel as well, for off on those far islands where Gatoraide has never yet been heard of.
 
This is in my area (physiology, biology, clinical laboratory medicine, endurance athletics), so I have to join this thread. I'll make this as concise as I can. I'll elaborate if anyone wants me to.

Water is NOT by itself the absolute best hydrating drink. It is what hydrates you, but you also need electrolytes - sodium first, then less so potassium (but definitely both) - and carbohydrates. Exactly how much of each, and if you even need carbs (simple sugars or more complex carbs) in your drink vs. in a meal, is directly related to what exactly you're doing and how much you're losing fluids (i.e. sweat or breathing on scuba).

Sugar is not a diuretic. That web site stretches the definition a bit too much. It is, however, a "renal threshold" substance. More on that if you really want it.

Water is what hydrates, sodium and potassium (K) are the electrolytes you sweat out (with little bits of Mg and others). Fact is, water hydrates most effectively - even independently of all other factors - when it comes with a dash of sodium. If you're exercising and sweating, then the sodium, first, and K, second, become just as important as the water. Ask a GI doc about Na-coupled pumps in the intestines.

By "what exactly you're doing..." I mean how intense is your activity and just how fast are you (your muscles) burning fuel. So, this is where SubMariner and I go to the goo: intense activity (running/riding) and only if we're going for much more than an hour (PaulB). Sustained, intense activity (running, riding, hiking) burn through your fuel most quickly, which is why Gatorade and Cytomax (one of my preferences) exist.

Okay, so science of it all aside, we're doing scuba diving, which within this whole scheme is more water/fluid depleting (relative to electrolytes and relative to energy burning) than intense exercise. So, it's more a matter of rehydration/maintaining hydration than maintaining energy (read: carbs/sugars) and electrolyte levels. Of course, this isn't fixed; you have to ask yourself how much you're exerting yourself above and under water.

You will hydrate most effectively with water with some electrolytes and very small amounts of carbs (sure, okay, some form of sugar, though best if it's not the simple sugars you find in Gatorade). The easiest way to get these things is to dilute (to at least one-half, if not further) sports drinks. If your diving is not intense in your exertion level, then you will do best with regular food and good ol' water during your SIs. If you're trying to rehydrate fast - imagine a medical situation where the paramedics throw an IV into you, which will be of saline, plain and simple, highly diluted salt water, 0.9% to be exact - then highly diluted sports drink is best. Suggestion: avoid the ones with simple sugars (e.g. Gatorade) and go for the ones with more complex-carb versions.

Personally, I use a Hammer Nutrition powder called Sustained Energy, diluted to about one-fourth of their recommendation, and I never run into dehydration or cramping problems in any of my long-distance training (marathons, cycling) or when I'm diving. Never. As much as anything that means I've found what works for me. Nevertheless, rules of physiology don't change. I guzzle that one-fourth mix during surface intervals as much as I can - key: more than you think, and yes, dandydon is right, if you're rehydrating well you should be peeing lots, and it should be pale yellow, and yes, some electrolytes do come out with, because you never pee pure water....

Drink just water alone and you'll pee even more and hydrate less effectively.

Again, you simply don't need the simple sugars of Gatorade unless you're swimming really, really hard. Go for something more complex. Every athlete and diver needs to work out what formulation/drink works best for him/her. Just be sure it's dilute. My suggestion to people is that they start with water and add bits and bits of powder until it's palatable, instead of the other way around (progressive concentration instead of dilution). Make sense?

Budgy, you're (or rather the reference you cite is) correct; the short term action is as stated. But that's not a problem unless you're drinking concentrated electrolytes (see above.) The extra- and intracellular compartments will, under normal circumstances and if you're healthy, etc. equilibrate very quickly.
 
budgy once bubbled...
I claim no medical knowledge and I wouldn't know if its true or not but I've recently read that "the short-term action of electrolyte replacement drinks is to increase the extracellular fluid level while decreasing the intracellular fluid level. What this means is, you are actually dehydrated in the body cells, where it may be more critical!" ref J.Odom 2002 Technical Diving International.
As a supervisor working in very hot heat stroke/heat exhaustion conditions in mining, (hot as hell and twice as far) I used to suffer a lot with heat exhaustion. I couldn't understand why my crew were more heat tolerant. On examination of diet and exercise etc the only difference I could determine was that I drank ice water or iced isotonic drinks on the job. When I changed over to drinking water at natural temperature's the exhaustion problems ended. This leads me to think ice cold drinks make the body less heat tolerant.

A small part of this may be because when you introduce a blob of very cold water/drink into your stomach, your body then has to "warm it up"... This burns up energy/resources better spent keeping you cool and the end result is a higer core temp, not lower.

By drinking "room temperature" liquids, you don't create that temperature imbalance your body then has to deal with.

Either way, your body gets the liquid needed to produce more sweat to cool you off so cold water is still much better than no water.

It's kinda like in school in late spring when the teacher tells everyone not to fan themselves. The energy spent waving a folded piece of paper to cool your face creates more body heat than the cooling you get from the fan... But it does feel nice in the short term...

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EDIT/ADDITION: It's better to drink cold liquids (if you have to) in small amounts over time rather than chug it all at once to help reduce the shock to the bodies natural temperature regulating systems.
 
dandydon once bubbled...

We had a really bad hot spell hit in late spring one year, 115 F at times, and I worked streuously with irrigation equipment to save a crop, sweating heavily, drinking 3 gallons of that mix a day at times.

don

I've been there myself.

I spent a year and a half doing carpentry / construction. When we did roofing in the summer, it was incredible how much water I could go through in an afternoon.

I used to bring a gallon of water and a 2 liter gatorade to work each day and then ended up drinking from the hose or sending someone to the store for more by the end of some days.
 
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