video showing diver's death - should be broadcasted?

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Dr Simon Mitchell has posted the following at DiveOz, which covers some of the known facts behind the incident.

David Shaw

Dr Simon Mitchell:
The primary cause of the accident was CO2 toxicity.
Read the above link for details of the rebreather assembly that were noted post-dive.

Some of the footage was recently broadcast with the family's permission here in Australia. Nothing much to see except very black water, a pair of hands that slowly stop moving, and a very disturbing audio track of a man's final breaths almost 900 feet from the surface.
 
This month's episode of "Outside" magazine has an article about Shaw's final dive with first hand accounts of those that were there. It is a very good read.
 
mcm007:
but I cant seem to get a copy.

Please can someone PM Me with the link please ?

Thanks, this is for personal consumption, I will not broadcast.

You can find information and instructions on how to download the video here.

The footage was shown in a documentary on South African TV shortly after the incident. I'm not aware that it is in any way not supposed to be seen by the general public. The footage shown in the documentary had the final moments removed (i.e. the point where the breathing fades away) - I personally have no problem that these last few seconds were removed, they would not have enhanced the documentary in any way. But anyway, now you can watch the documentary and judge for yourself.

Mark
 
I feel it was stupped for the guy to go and try to retreave his buddies body in the first place, he should of been left to the sea. One stupped mistake follows another one this dive. Rebreathers kill and will continue to kill.

Rollie
 
Rollie:
Rebreathers kill and will continue to kill.
Rollie, aside from being off the topic your post shows that you're unshadowed by any know-how.
What an idiotic comment to make, especially when the corpse to be recovered stems from an open circuit diver.

Kim:
I suppose it might possibly be helpful for people who dive to 270m - otherwise I don't see the point. I don't think it should be shown, who can it really help?
Actually, there is a bit of information on the original tape that is quite important for any diver.
Dave Shaw can be heard hyperventilating and breathing very shallow.
In the posted copy that I saw this couldn't be heard, but Don Shirley's voice-over described it.

As has been posted earlier in this thread, hypercapnia is the most likely reason for Dave's death.
While hypercapnia (CO2 poisoning) gets more often than not related to rebreathers, where the breathing gas gets recirculated in the loop, it can be a danger to every diver. Even free divers.

The bottom line is the CO2 content in the diver's body, nowhere else!
Carbon Dioxide is a product of the body's metabolism, hence it occurs in everyone.
The higher our metabolism, the higher our CO2 production, it's that simple. When the CO2 level rises, we breath harder (deeper) and faster to vent it from the body. The problem is when we start breathing very fast and shallow (hyperventillating) as the CO2 doesn't get sufficiently vented. The rise in CO2 will eventually lead to unconciousness (and underwater likely drowning).

Improper breathing patterns, such as breath holding and skip breathing can lead to that, no matter what the activity or what equipment is used. Free diving requires you to hold your breath.
Deep diving, on any equipment, leads to higher work of breathing due to gas density.
Poor performing breathing equipment with high WOB does the same.
High WOB translates into higher breathing effort and hence increased CO2 production.

When using a rebreather, any rebreather, the addition of the scrubber which is supposed to remove the CO2 from the loop is added to the equation. But no matter how well the scrubber is designed, and how well it performs, when the diver doesn't vent his lungs there is nothing or little to scrub.

For the group of people that analyzed the accident it was as much part of their investigation as the equipment analysis, and gave clues to the what, when and how it happened.

Do I think the video needs to be shown to bring the dangers of hypercapnia across?
Of course not. Any OW diver should know this. But in the end the decision to make the video available to the public lies with the family and team members of Dave Shaw. I for one respect their decision, and I'm sure it wasn't made lightly.
It places the ball in our court, we can choose to watch it (for whatever reason) or not.
It's a grim video, even without the original soudtrack.
 
mania:
The last minutes of Dave Shaw in the Boesmansgat cave
Here is the full story:
http://capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2372385

I would like to know your opinion whether such video should or should not be broadcasted - at least within the divers community?

I personally think it shouldn't.
Mania



An amazing diver and an amazing dive. You can read more about it here as well. Very fascinating and informative read.

http://www.cdnn.info/article/a050716/a050716.html

Raising the Dead: The Unbelievable Story of Deep Diver Dave Shaw

I say the family has the say. Some very good divers and qualified instructors have seen the video. I think their opinion would carry a lot of weight on the value and appropriateness of making it public. Reading the article is very informative.

Willie
 
Rollie:
I feel it was stupped for the guy to go and try to retreave his buddies body in the first place, he should of been left to the sea. One stupped mistake follows another one this dive.

And to add to how misinformed these comments are, I have never heard any accounts stating that Dave Shaw and Deon Dreyer were buddies. Deon died in that cave 10 years before Dave did his first 270m dive in that cave. Dave knew Deon died there, and thought there was a chance he would find his body on that first dive, which he did. It was not an objective of that first dive, but if Dave could have freed Deon from the silt on the first dive, Deon would have been brought back with him then.

Look...this guy spend a good part of his life going to depths I would never even consider, and it is easy to call him crazy for it. But many people I know would never consider going to 30 ft, and think I am crazy when I tell them I have gone to 135. If there weren't "crazy" people out there, there would be no recreational scuba diving today, no equipment, no operators. We would all be snorkling....unless THAT was too crazy...

The guy lived a hell of a life, and I think we should all be toasting him and marveling at his accomplishments, not passing judgement on him. He's probably up there sharing a beer and a couple of good dive stories with Sheck right now.

As for the video, I haven't watced it yet, though morbid curiousity will probably get the better of me. Cave diving is probably not in my immediate future, so aside from a lesson on hyperventilation and CO2 poisoning that I have already gained from elsewhere, not really sure what I have to gain from it. As for you cavers, I say look away if you don't care to see, watch if you choose, and learn what you can. If this is available with the blessing of Dave's family, I am sure he would be happy to know someone may have learned something from this.
 
I already replied to someone else calling Dave Shaw and his endevour stupid and absurd.
Nothing I can add to that.
 
I've read about this tragedy. The video is not actually of Shaw dying, the camera is atop a specially designed helmet he was wearing. So, you see what is going from his perspective, but you do not actually see him, as I understand it.

The reason you can tell exactly when he died is because you can hear his breating stop at 26 minutes.

Safe diving,

Jeff
 
Should the video be made public: NO! Even suggesting it is sadistic?

Those who say it should be shown must work for CNN. Go watch a car crash or something. Damn!
 
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