Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[JeffG]

for deco diving in open water it's sac x time x ata plus 50%.

at what point do you turn the dive?

 

[BigboyDan]

Her's why many advocate diving with 7' hose: their GOD has spoken, from the Bibl-, er.. GUE website,

"Students participating in GUE instruction should come to the classes prepared to modify their gear configuration to meet GUE guidelines.

While nearly any style of diving equipment can be feasibly used in a GUE class, the GUE curriculum has been structured to instill divers with the same technique and ability found in world class explorers. While we recognize that this level of expectation is beyond the type of diving that many students will participate in, we believe that individuals are seldom overly prepared for a given diving occasion. Opportunities abound for individuals to enter a more liberal-style curriculum allowing for a wide variety of individual choices. However, the GUE curriculum is structured with the assumption that participants are not threatened by a conviction that one style may be more effective than another.

GUE representatives are not attempting to label other techniques ineffective or dangerous, but they would be irresponsible not to feature the highly effective and popular style used by all of our members."


Again,

"... but they would be irresponsible not to feature the highly effective and popular style used by all of our members."

Somebody was left very alone in the sandbox when he was a boy.

 

[detroit diver]

That added a lot to this discussion, didn't it?

Her's why many advocate diving with 7' hose: their GOD has spoken, from the Bibl-, er.. GUE website,

"Students participating in GUE instruction should come to the classes prepared to modify their gear configuration to meet GUE guidelines.

While nearly any style of diving equipment can be feasibly used in a GUE class, the GUE curriculum has been structured to instill divers with the same technique and ability found in world class explorers. While we recognize that this level of expectation is beyond the type of diving that many students will participate in, we believe that individuals are seldom overly prepared for a given diving occasion. Opportunities abound for individuals to enter a more liberal-style curriculum allowing for a wide variety of individual choices. However, the GUE curriculum is structured with the assumption that participants are not threatened by a conviction that one style may be more effective than another.

GUE representatives are not attempting to label other techniques ineffective or dangerous, but they would be irresponsible not to feature the highly effective and popular style used by all of our members."


Again,

"... but they would be irresponsible not to feature the highly effective and popular style used by all of our members."

Somebody was left very alone in the sandbox when he was a boy.

 

[novadiver]

at what point do you turn the dive?

that would be a TIMED turn not a gas turn. remember that one was for deco

 

[JimC]

The use of a 7' hose is not taught to new divers in standard OW classes anywhere.

Actualy, there are right now. Any will be more once GUE starts there OW class.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Actualy, there are right now. Any will be more once GUE starts there OW class.

You don't have to go to GUE to see long-hose being taught in OW class. I know SSI and NAUI instructors who have been teaching that way for some time.

I don't personally care what method is being taught ... but any student of mine will be introduced to them in AOW or Rescue, for the simple reason that you may have to exchange air with someone who uses one, and you should be familiar with as many different configurations as you can be. You never know when that knowledge just might save your bacon.

Funny, the people who are screaming the loudest about this being a "dangerous" thing haven't said word one about the use of an Air2 configuration ... and that is a non-standard configuration that is routinely covered in OW classes for exactly the same reason ... new divers need to understand how to exchange air with people who use different rigs.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[jonnythan]

There are a lot of people in between "new divers" and "tech divers." The long hose, when used properly, has a number of benefits to the standard setup.

I think we've established that much.. which proves the original post.

 

[novadiver]

I'll just shake my head and walk away. at least this thread made me laugh. very entertaining

 

[simbrooks]

it's 1/4rs into a siphon and 1/3rds into the flow. that overhead caving.

Dont know what agency that was or when that was, but current guidelines suggest that you use a maximum of 1/3 in, retaining a minimum of 2/3's to exit when going into flow or in no flow systems, hence the maximum that you want to go in is 1/3 - many cavers i know dont push that maximum too hard. When going with the flow in a siphon it is suggested that you only use a maximum of 1/6 your volume entering and retain 5/6's to exit - pretty conservative, but you have to work much harder on the way out and if you have one on the team OOA, you are going to burn through much of that 5/6's. Just think if you have to work twice as hard to exit and both of you were on one set of tanks due to OOA, would 1/4's work?

I do actually prefer the siphons and no flow systems i have dove over going into high flow, seem to go quite far in those systems for very little work, just checking things out on the way in and a bit of work to get out, with that amount of gas reserve i feel confident of being able to exit. I enjoy the exploratory 1/3 out of a high flow spring as i get more of a chance to poke around compared to concentrating on trying to find the best route/least flow to get into the system.

 

[OE2X]

Nova - do so. But by doing so you still haven't told us why it's so bad for people who are recreational divers to use a long hose. Admit it you are wrong on this one.

It's not about agencies.

It's not about history.

It's not about wanting to look like a tech diver.

Instead it is about a recreational diver adopting a technique from the tech world that is ultimately better than what the rec world currently offers as the gold standard. This is the singular premise of this thread. My first post just talked about rec. divers - not necessarily new divers.

So Nova do you still believe that anyone who is just on a recreational open water dive should not use a long hose? If so, then why?


(BTW - have you seen what they are saying over on the snorkel thread?)