Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[detroit diver]

I'm not going to go into the backgas vs. stage issue, but you're just plain wrong on the new diver with a long hose. I learned it in my OW class, and so have others. This isn't rocket science, nor is it dangerous when properly taught.

You wanna talk about stress? How about an panic'd OOA diver stuck 1 foot from his donor because of the traditional short hose? No room for movement. No place for the donor to go if the OOA diver begins to lash out. As least I've got some options, and I'd want them whether I was a newbie or not.

That's in the event of back gas failure, and btw I'd hit deco gas on an excellorated ascent all the way to the first stop. I've seen divers doing rock bottom calcs and come up with numbers like 50 cuft. on a 95 cuft tank. that's a waste, where does all this BS come from. It's amazing how some can proclaim " safety first" and then tell a newbie to rap a seven foot hose over their wing, under their light, around their neck and into their yap, and then tell them their a safer diver. Good luck with all of that, because the first step was wrong( over the wing) and that makes it a danger to new divers. Keep it simple for new divers because the long hose IS simple for more expereanced divers and newbies don't need more stress. MORE stress is not safe it's just dumb

 

[SeanQ]

If you doubt me , search " how to route a long hose" and find out for yourself how many of the divers here don't and can't route a long hose properly.

It's amazing how some can proclaim " safety first" and then tell a newbie to rap a seven foot hose over their wing, under their light, around their neck and into their yap, and then tell them their a safer diver. Good luck with all of that, because the first step was wrong( over the wing) and that makes it a danger to new divers.

You say it's hard to find a thread that right
Conflicting opinions fill a newb with fright
A post like that only serve to confuse them
Expecially when you verbally abuse `em.


Like my "rap"? :dazzler1:

No, neither do I. However, since it is possibly the most coherent rhyming verse I have ever written it deserves some credit.

 

[detroit diver]

I didn't say any name of any org.

Of course you did. You just didn't print out each letter.

 

[JeffG]

I didn't say any name of any org.

Still...You should start a thread about breathing your backgas first (before your stage)...

 

[Firefyter]

:whack: :whack: :whack: Can't we all just get along.....lol.

 

[OE2X]

Just so you know I gave Nova a chance by PM to offer why he feels that new divers shouldn't use a long hose.

His reason was that I was advocating usage without proper instruction. That is his premise and he seems to be sticking by it.

Frankly I haven't seen anyone in this thread who uses a long hose advocating a newbie just jump right in the water without becoming familiar with the process of S drills or the configuration. What I made light of though in a prior post was that it was not necessary for someone to get a hypothetical PADI cert in long hose routing.

So Nova please enlighten us with all your 28 years of diving experience on why a new diver should not be trained and adopt the use of a long hose.

So far all you have done is spew the same tired and unsubstantiated rhetoric.

In my eyes you and your advice is not credible until you do so.

 

[JeffG]

Just so you know I gave Nova a chance by PM to offer why he feels that new divers shouldn't use a long hose.

His reason was that I was advocating usage without proper instruction. That is his premise and he seems to be sticking by it.

Personally...I would like to have been taught with the 40" hose and bungied backup. Taught from the start "to donate what I breath."

(and with the 40"...the divers could still keep their snorkels and not violate PADI standards)

But I don't know if Nova only considers the 7ft the offending "long hose"...(or if he throws in the 5' and 40" in there as well)

Most divers will never need the 7ft... and the 40" gives two divers lots of space to maneuver. (and the 7ft isn't good for the sloppy divers...and there are lots out there)

 

[wedivebc]

Hey wedivebc,

Your comment is very childish and unprofessional.
I am the one asking about the tether thing. I was asking if that is a wise choice, I did not WANTED to do that, that is why I posted the question on the board.
If you have no constructive comments, you don't need to make any comment.
I guess you think you are a hot shot or something to make comments like so.
How would you like if someone comments about draging your child behind as an anchor. If that's what your insensitive comment is about.
Next time when you make insensitive comments as such, think before you do it, or maybe you just don't have that capability to do so....
Charles.

If I offended you then I am truly sorry. As OE2X suggested my mocking attitude had more to do with the direction the thread was taking than anything else and I did not mean to be insensitive.
I should mention that I applaud you asking this question on the board for the safety of your child and I will be more careful before making such flippant remarks.

I have been out diving all day. I am amazed how this thread has grown.

 

[OE2X]

Most divers will never need the 7ft... and the 40" gives two divers lots of space to maneuver. (and the 7ft isn't good for the sloppy divers...and there are lots out there)

I haven't used a 5' (even though I have one in my SAD kit) and for me a 40" feels confined in an air share. What I do know though is that a 7' gives myself and my buddy all the room we need. Frequently we will shorten it by looping it around the donee's hand. What this allows is for us to swim side by side, nearly shoulder to shoulder. It also gives the donee security that the reg won't be pulled out of their mouth. Shortened this way also keeps the hose from becoming entangled.

One of the main reasons that I like having a 7' hose is so that both participants can have enough room to be face to face while on a stop. This lets me check on my buddy at all times.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[lamont]

Keep it simple for new divers because the long hose IS simple for more expereanced divers and newbies don't need more stress. MORE stress is not safe it's just dumb

I've actually been a n00b diver with a long hose. All my post-BOW dives have been done with a long hose. It made it considerably *LESS* stressful the first time I got a face-full of jetfin and got my reg kicked out of my mouth. Going for the backup on the necklace was much easier than the sweep back for the primary that we were taught in my PADI BOW class.

There are more things to watch when you're gearing up, but its nothing a diver can't learn to handle really quickly. Most of the issues are uncovered by the practice of a modified S-drill before descending (again, easily learned, not a lot of stress).

It is true that it requires some practice. The first practice OOA I gave to another n00b buddy resulted in the buddy going to his necklace with his left hand first and then producing a nasty little CF with him only offering about 1/2 a foot of hose instead of 7. Things get more complicated when you've got a light or are holding anything else, particularly if your right hand is occupied when the OOA signal is given. All of these bugs can be worked out in a few dives, though.

So, yes, you need training, going out and buying a 7' hose and thinking you're being safer isn't going to work. You need to have that more experienced buddy who will notice you've suited up into some CF and will gently remind you to do a modified S-drill before descending and then help you untangle yourself. It only takes a few of those dives, though, before a diver starts using a mental checklist to suit up, starts doing modified S-drills before every dive and can benefit from the long hose.