Undercurrent--"Why Divers Die"

[Cacia]

I have always been suspect of the diapers....

I think her gaunt manic appearance points to a psychotic break...fascinating.

On the plus side, you can dive with the skinny divers who have zero skills and I'll dive with the Fatty's who know how to dive.

you keep doing that. Contradicting your own stats rules by pairing those up!

Now..if you wanna compare fatty's and skinny's of "like ability/skills"...then we can debate sensibly.

 

[boulderjohn]

I don't agree, because the food would go rancid and you would not find it as convenient to eat it. If it were this easy, they would not have gone to the trouble to supersaturate lipids with H, in the laboratory, in the first place....

But...minor pont. People that think of all these unhealthful substances in a vacume have a problem getting a handle on how to live a healthy lifestyle, IMV because they don't think comprehensively about diet and exercise. Nor can they relate to how being overweight easily leads to a host of other problems in the water, as suggested by Captain.

Please read what I wrote carefully. I said that they could LEGALLY be replaced by other fats. They only banned trans fats--not fats in general. It had nothing to do with the shelf life. It had to do with the effect trans fats have on the body in ways other than obesity.

 

[Jon C]

Just beware of the astronaut driving with diapers, they are dangerous. Kind of like dry suit divers.

I guess you can get "bent" by going too high also!

Next stop for her: Talk show circuit, Playboy spread, Book Deal, Relocate and live large in Hollywood, Coke Habit, "Where is she now?" cable appearance...what a waste. NASA has to be pretty upset....

 

[in_cavediver]

You chose a varible that is not likely to impact death while diving, wetsuits.

Due to the number of drownings and heart attacks causing deaths while diving, health is important for deaths.

I can honestly tell you that the vast majority of individuals with a BMI > 30 are not healthy weight lifters.

Many deaths while diving tend to be drowning. Kinda to be expected being underwater and all. Wetsuits very well could be significant. I haven't seen anything to say they weren't. Kinda like the wieghts found on dead divers. That was propped up to be significant. Here's another one. Empty tanks - how many had empty tanks. Maybe we need to mandate bigger tanks to solve it?

For the record, I did my annual wellness screening and here's my stat's 5'10", 218lbs (with street clothes and shoes). I wear 36"-38" waist pants and a standard L or XL shirt. I can run a mile without getting out of breath. I personally would like to drop 20-30lbs and consider myself to be overwieght.

I am obese according to BMI.

For those who challenge my ability to dive safely - lets go dive and we'll what you say after it.

 

[Charlie59]

So in the study of deaths, what variable was loaded on obese divers? You can not add assumptions or you modify the data. There is no reason to believe, and the DAN folks did not, that such variables only affect obese divers.

You have no data to add that supports your contention, you only attack the existing data. Assuming that all plane crashes involve planes that serve Coke on the flight has no bearing on the crash.

 

[boulderjohn]

lol...not true.

But I read about nutrition "for fun".

Trans fats and butter (saturated fat)

both butter and margarine are worth around 35 calories and 4g of fat per teaspoon.

Trans fats will go down in time as a major demon in the modern American diet. We are seeing hypertension in kids now...

Again, the difference between trans fats and regular fats, the reason they are being banned, has nothing to do with the number of calories or grams of fat per teaspoon. That is irrelevant. Trans fats are essentially poisonous, regardless of their calories.

You might aas well compare the number of calories in arsenic and with the number of calories in fat and wonder why arsenic is banned in food. I mean, if it has fewer calories, it must be better for you, right?

 

[in_cavediver]

Now..if you wanna compare fatty's and skinny's of "like ability/skills"...then we can debate sensibly.

Exactly! Someone gets it.

Of course, I doubt the difference in risk is that significant but its there if all else is equal. (But those underurrent stats, all else ISN'T equal)

 

[Charlie59]

The exception does not negate the rule.

 

[Cacia]

It had to do with the effect trans fats have on the body in ways other than obesity.

sigh. okay. you are right. You go ahead and legally consume all the trans fats or saturated fats you like. But....you might gain weight.

Trans fats are widely known to have contributed to the obesity problem, because they make it more convenient to eat too much fat, vending machine items, etc. It's not rocket science.

 

[Charlie59]

Once more, which variable did they add to obesity to get this outcome. What could there be in obese divers that would weight the increase in deaths if not health. Do obese people get stupid underwater, clearly not. Do they buy worse gear, not likely.

Support your contention that the information does not include assumptions of equality.