Two tech dives per day?

Are you comfortable doing more than one tech dive per day?

  • No, I won't do more than one tech dive per day.

    Votes: 3 6.1%
  • Yes, I will do a tech dive followed by a <130ft dive in one day.

    Votes: 7 14.3%
  • Yes, I will do two tech dives per day.

    Votes: 39 79.6%

  • Total voters
    49

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I *have* done more than one sub 150' dive in a day (like 2 or 3 times ever), however, I don't like to do that. Not worth it, imo.

Broadly the same - I have done it twice. On the second occasion I did two (not especially aggressive) deco dives, followed by a very shallow third dive (never went below 30'). I rationalised it to myself that actually spending a lot of time at 25-30' was probably a safer way to off-gas than staying on the surface. But we can seemingly find ways of justifying things if we really want to do them.
 
We've been doing two dives a day for a while now, with no issues this far (not that it proves anything!).

Laurin, I have always wondered - for DIR practitioners who use ratio deco only - how does one deal with repetitive dives?
 
... Given that you want a given amount of bottom time, should you break it up into one dive or two? Ignoring logistical considerations (which is somewhat silly, since something like very heavy seas can offer risks greater than deco risks), would you rather do two 20 minute 170ft dives or a single 40 minute 170ft dive?

Since we are ignoring the logistical stuff, sounds as though you are asking about our personal take on the risk associated with ascent. If that's the case, a single dive offers about half the risk of two dives since there's only one ascent!

:)
 
One question to come out of this is related to laurin's: Given that you want a given amount of bottom time, should you break it up into one dive or two? Ignoring logistical considerations (which is somewhat silly, since something like very heavy seas can offer risks greater than deco risks), would you rather do two 20 minute 170ft dives or a single 40 minute 170ft dive?

Kinda depends on the dive itself - if I understood your question correctly, you're asking "if you want a given amount of bottom time at a specific location for a specific task" then the 'easy' answer would be 1 big dive, especially if you include the descent to BT (we usually do, for conservatism). Incidentally, it's the same stuff that needs to be figured out with the gas plan - all usable, 1/2s, 1/3s or less, just the other way around... The longer it takes to descend and/or get to that location the more it favors one long BT, cave diving being the extreme example. :)

On our dives the effective bottom time for 20min on a small wreck at 170ft would look like: 5min (or more) descending and getting to the spot, then maybe 12-13 minutes of effective bottom time (shooting or whatever) and 2-3 min swim/scoot back to shot (we don't usually drift deco). So for two dives you'd have about 24-26 minutes of BT for any task-oriented stuff, compared to the 32-33 min for the longer dive.

I'd say for 2 shorter BTs you need to be more efficient, but have the luxury of a SI in between where to adjust the plan for conditions.

For the shorter BTs having a scout team to check out the shot location and move it or place a spool/reel is essential, you really don't want to waste any time figuring out if you actually hit the wreck or not. =)

The above is obviously fairly location specific, somewhere else you might have a narrow time window dictated by tides, or the visibility might not necessitate too much scouting. Or the daylight period of the day might prevent multiple dives - up north during the summer we have the advantage of long hours of sunlight, so we can spread out the diving.

This is a bit theoretical for me, since OC gas limits have been favoring 2 shorter BTs this far for me. I have to admit I've been eying RBs lately, though I'm not sure if I'd be ready to extend the BTs very much on RB. The main advantage would be topside logistics, which can be a nightmare for a big OC team doing 2 dives a day for a week or more... Essentially hitting a long good weather window is no good for us, because we'll have to spend a full day blending after two days of diving anyway. :)
 

Laurin, I have always wondered - for DIR practitioners who use ratio deco only - how does one deal with repetitive dives?

Short and blunt answer: it's not DIR to use ratio deco only <duckandcover/>. ;)

Essentially, if I'm not 100% sure what I'm doing it's time to cross-reference with VPM/Bühlmann. If the model disagrees with my RD plan it's time to adjust the plan. I don't really do repetitive (tech) dives with less than 3 hours SI so haven't had to deal with this much, as the models seem to agree that 3 hours should be a sufficient SI to not treat it as a repetitive dive.

However, most people seem to bake in some form of conservatism by adding an O2 bottle for 1:1 dives or simply extending the final stop(s). I do that too, though I've also done straight 2:1 dives with a bit longer SI without adjustments, and haven't noticed a difference. Obvs that doesn't prove anything, small sample size and stuff - if I sound like I'm repeating this, it's because I am. I'm just tired of the prevalent "been doin' this for ages and haven't died yet"-proofs that abound.
 
I have no qualms about making two relatively short (less than an hour of decompression) deep dives in the same day. I use whichever dive planning software the team has agreed upon to plan both dives.
 
We extend the O2 segment.


All the best, James
 
On ocean dives I'll do 2 conservative decompression dives in a day, usually no more than an hour total time, bottom and deco combined. And with 90 + minutes in between. For cave dives I usually only do one dive a day, whether it's deep or not. Unless I'm teaching it's just too much work to do a second dive! ;) Dives over 200' deep limit my dive day to that one.
 
we will often do two deco dives a day, for instance when on a live aboard or at Innerspace. In both cases the first dive is early in the morning with a significant SI and lunch in between the first and second dive.
 
monday
57m 49min on morning
22m 46min on afternoon
tuesday
65m 48min on morning
39m 54min on afternoon
wednesday
70m 56min on morning
41m 49min on afternoon
thursday
71m 59min on morning
39m 53min on afternoon
friday
80m 51min on morning
33m 40min on afternoon

morning with trimix, eanx40 and oxygen
afternoon with triox and oxygen
 

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