To T2T or not to T2T?

[Tortuga68]

Such discussions would indeed be appropriate in a T2T forum, but they don't happen here. I am not sure why, but I have an idea. I have seen some of these topics start to be discussed on a number of occasions in various forums, but the discussions don't go far because people who express a point of view that is fairly common in technical diving but runs counter to the thoughts of some people in this forum get shouted down quickly for their "obvious stupidity." It is hard to maintain a discussion in such an environment

So how do we fix it so that T2T encourages such discussions?

 

[Dive-aholic]

He told me if I wrote another such sentence, he would report me to PADI (for whom I am an instructor) for disciplinary action.

Although that threat was absurd, that's the sort of attitude that discourages discussion.

Please tell me you wrote another such sentence!

 

[rjack321]

My trimix training was with two agencies that were remarkably different in their beliefs about deep diving. Those differences would make wonderful discussions, IMO.

My cave training included thoughts that were also very different from some of my previous training. These differences, too, would be interesting.

Such discussions would indeed be appropriate in a T2T forum, but they don't happen here. I am not sure why, but I have an idea. I have seen some of these topics start to be discussed on a number of occasions in various forums, but the discussions don't go far because people who express a point of view that is fairly common in technical diving but runs counter to the thoughts of some people in this forum get shouted down quickly for their "obvious stupidity." It is hard to maintain a discussion in such an environment.

I recently started a thread in another forum related to the alterations in decompression schedules related to altitude. A topic like that would be good here, I would think. I prefaced my remarks by saying I was interested because of the fact that some of my friends had gotten bent while doing deco dives at altitude and had therefore started to research the topic in more depth. I was then contacted by a SB member representing the agency under whose direction those divers had been diving and told that because I did not also tell why he did not think those DCS cases were altitude-related, that sentence was unethical. He told me if I wrote another such sentence, he would report me to PADI (for whom I am an instructor) for disciplinary action.

Although that threat was absurd, that's the sort of attitude that discourages discussion.

Wow what a dumb ass. I mean seriously you are not obligated to present anyone else's ideas here. Not only that but exactly what disciplinary action would Padi have any interest in???

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

...I was then contacted by a SB member representing the agency under whose direction those divers had been diving and told that because I did not also tell why he did not think those DCS cases were altitude-related, that sentence was unethical. He told me if I wrote another such sentence, he would report me to PADI (for whom I am an instructor) for disciplinary action.

Although that threat was absurd, that's the sort of attitude that discourages discussion.

Please tell me you rewarded him with a copious amount of expletives.

 

[boulderjohn]

haha, was that UTD who did that? I've seen something on their forums that state they dont adjust ratio deco at altitude.

Yes. They don't believe altitude needs to be considered in decompression planning.

Please tell me you wrote another such sentence!

No, I didn't. I started to write about the threat and then just decided to let it blow over.

So how do we fix it so that T2T encourages such discussions?

It takes an attitude adjustment, one that says we will all respond with thoughtful reactions to ideas and concepts rather than mocking insults of the intelligence of those with other views.

During the course of my advanced trimix training, I was thoroughly exposed to beliefs that contradicted my previous training. I remember doing a long deco stop after a 200 foot dive while hanging on an ascent line in heavy current. I could not help but stare at the analysis sticker on the back gas of the very experienced diver immediately below me, a sticker that said he was diving air. I thought about ScubaBoard as I stared at it, thinking about how badly he would be flamed for that. It would be nice to think he could come on and talk about it, but I am afraid he would be slammed so hard for his stupidity that he would not want to participate.

 

[cavemn]

I agree with deep air in practice diving. In theory you should be able to extrapolate your experience on air at depth to END while practicing at a shallower depth.

I don't personally like the idea of exposing my body to that much Nitrogen on a regular basis. Saving a few bucks by not adding He is not worth the exposure effects IMHO


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[ucfdiver]

Yes. They don't believe altitude needs to be considered in decompression planning.

Interesting, must be nice to have a body that ignores basic math concepts. Hopefully they start selling a "Z Decompression Chamber" soon if they continue to teach in areas where that's an issue

No, I didn't. I started to write about the threat and then just decided to let it blow over.

You should share it IMO. People need to be aware when agency leaders put marketing and profits in front of diver safety. The fact that I could guess which agency teaches such silliness without it even being hinted at proves that it's reoccurring over there.

I thought about ScubaBoard as I stared at it, thinking about how badly he would be flamed for that. It would be nice to think he could come on and talk about it, but I am afraid he would be slammed so hard for his stupidity that he would not want to participate.

This would violate rule #2.

 

[rjack321]

Anyone thinking about SB on a real dive, ummmm no comment

 

[Tortuga68]

It takes an attitude adjustment, one that says we will all respond with thoughtful reactions to ideas and concepts rather than mocking insults of the intelligence of those with other views

In summary, the forum is doomed

 

[ianr33]

Honestly, any kind of entertainment is a huge plus when your deco obligations end up twice as long as your bottom time

if your deco is only twice as long as your bottom time you shouldn't be in this forum.