Three dives in one day against the rules?

[scubadobadoo]

The only time I have been LIMITED to a 35-40 minute dive was when I went out with a very bad dive op. I have had movements longer than that.

 

[300bar]

Pffffffff.that was alot of reading
IMO there is some misunderstanding here.
Standards PADI or CMAS are for training purposus,so 2 dives a day in training says CMAS, but so does PADI, 2 a day except for the AOW night dive then you can do 3.

Belgium diver "Beester"gave a list of CMAS training,also listed in the CMAS standards,only these standards are from 2002.As of 2005 all divetraining in Europe sould be in accordance with EU.NEN EN 14413-1/-2/-3 standards and they are a copy of the PADI manuals.

As a (former)CMAS (now)PADI instructor can tell you there is no 2/3 dive a daylimit, only common sence,when you are making deco dives keep them limited to 1 max two a day

 

[mislav]

I wonder what they would say about the dive profiles we had done the weekend before that. Me being OWD and everything...

LOL, I think they would pronounce us dead! However, our dives were planned, controlled and well executed... :14:

I went through nearly eight years of working under, or in conjunction with, CMAS instructors and it left me with a very uneasy feeling about the quality of divers they were turning out. Where I was the CMAS AI course was little more than a series of swim tests and the instructor course was clearly "borrowed" from the PADI IDC.

I think one problem is that CMAS confuses 'tough' with 'thorough' which means you get a high drop out rate and a lot of students who end up just wanting to get the course over with. In simple terms they work so hard to survive the harassment, they don't learn much.

Well said - I've gotten the same impression, although I don't have your depth of experience.

Belgium diver "Beester"gave a list of CMAS training,also listed in the CMAS standards,only these standards are from 2002.As of 2005 all divetraining in Europe sould be in accordance with EU.NEN EN 14413-1/-2/-3 standards and they are a copy of the PADI manuals.

Oh, what a shocking twist of events! LOL!

As a (former)CMAS (now)PADI instructor can tell you there is no 2/3 dive a daylimit, only common sence,when you are making deco dives keep them limited to 1 max two a day

This describes quite well what my thoughts have been and are on this subject.

 

[beester]

Pffffffff.that was alot of reading
IMO there is some misunderstanding here.
Standards PADI or CMAS are for training purposus,so 2 dives a day in training says CMAS, but so does PADI, 2 a day except for the AOW night dive then you can do 3.

Yeah it was and yes I do believe that the only reference to 2 dives a day are in regard with training... not diving in general.

Belgium diver "Beester"gave a list of CMAS training,also listed in the CMAS standards,only these standards are from 2002.As of 2005 all divetraining in Europe sould be in accordance with EU.NEN EN 14413-1/-2/-3 standards and they are a copy of the PADI manuals.

Maybe we are a bit backwards in Belgium :14: but the tests I descriped (theoretical examination, pool tests, open water tests, dives) were taken by me from february 2007 up until know. And there is no indication that BEFOS/NELOS (Belgian federation part of CMAS) will change this anytime soon (I don't know about NOB). And you have to admit that this training level (while taking a long time which is a negative point) is above ow-aow.

EN 14413-1/-2/-3 are minimum standards required for scuba-trainers/teachers/instructors to meet set out by the European Union. It doesn't matter if a European Commitee set out these standards and used PADI manuals as a reference. They remain minimum requirements. CMAS will have to adjust if their methods are not meeting these standards... if they are above these standards all is fine and dandy and they don't need to change a thing.

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

Seems a little confusion between padi training dives per day and cmas entry requirements for 2-star. Padi students may do 3 training dives per day; confined water counts as a dive, so only 2 OW dives allowed any day CW is done. Padi instructors/guides might do all 3 dives with the student above, as well as 1 or 2 other dives depending on season &/or location. Cmas 2-star students must have minimum 20 logged dives, counting only 2 max per day (no matter how many dives made that day). Seems to me that club miss-interpreted maximum 2 dives per day.

 

[wmessin]

a rule against 3 dives in a single day?

heck, on my checkout dive weekend a few weeks ago we did 3 per day!

 

[PlayaCountryBoy]

I often have diving clients who request 4 dives a day. They have checked around and no other shop would do it. I don't get it....As long as you are reasonably good shape and stay within the limits of diving and you'll be fine. Maybe exhausted...I always am..but fine. I useed to be in spearfishing tournaments out of Panama City and Destin, Florida and we would do about 8 or more bounce dives down to 100 ft. We never got bent (DCS).

 

[mislav]

*** UPDATE *** UPDATE *** UPDATE ***

So, there I went to a club meeting yesterday and no one mentions anything regarding the three dive rule. As I had to leave on business before the meeting was over, I thought this story was over...

But, as it turns out it was nothing but! When I got home and checked my mailbox I found out they sent everyone a new "Club diving organization rulebook"!

And here it is (translated):

1. General rules
Dive club expects organized dives, diving trips, diving courses and other activities to be SAFE and so is the motto of the club: SAFETY MUST BE IMPERATIVE!

2. Diving depth
Diving depth is strictly limited in accordance with Croatian Diving Association rules and not following these rules may result in membership cancellation.

3. Number of dives
Within one day (24 hours) it is allowed to make 2 dives MAXIMUM regardless of depth or bottom time of those dives. Recommendation for beginners (R1) is one dive per day.

In case the first dive was a deco dive, there can be no second dive in the same day.

In case of making two dives over several days (club week, dive camp etc.) it is allowed to dive maximum of three days after which there should be a mandatory day off.

 

[Todd128]

be SAFE and so is the motto of the club: SAFETY MUST BE IMPERATIVE!

Sorry to hear their interpretation of the vague dive limit posted previously was the worst-case scenario. Maybe you can find a good dive buddy or two at club meetings anyway. I would hope that at least one other diver there could read dive tables and plan a safe 3-dive day. Good luck

 

[Jasminka]

DAN reports its member getting bends: 16 dives in a week on the last day of diving 3 dives to around 35, 25, 29 metres for about 40-50 minutes.

I was also wondering how do you plan your third and fourth dive if the table only show you the groups for the second consecutive dive?