Thinking about East End and Ocean Frontiers in October

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bob kopi is talking some absolute rubbish above.

"You don't want to stay in Boddentown, it is a dump." Bodden Town is not a dump - it is a traditional Caymanian village, parts of which are still recovering from Ivan.

"East End diving, like Everywhere else in GCM is spotty." East End has some of the best diving in Cayman.

"The North Wall is beautiful, but you will see few fish." We are diving the north all the time at present due to the winds from the south - yes it is beautiful & yes there are plenty of fish.

"Forget about diving on the West side, too many dying reefs." Plenty of healthy reefs on the west side from Blackie's Hole in the south west to NW Point Gardens in the north west.

"I wouldn't recommend diving in the west bay. The reefs are dying here." Rubbish - look at Big Tunnel for example.

"Rather better to go diving one month later in November, much lower hurricane risk." The Atlantic hurricane season runs to the end of November. There is a risk of a hurricane throughout the entire season - to say there is a much lower risk in Nov than in Oct is misleading - last year there was a named storm in December.

"Gcm was wiped out in 2004. Cayman Brac was wiped out in 2008" Incorrect - neither were wiped out.

Just about the only thing I agree with bob kopi on is that Little Cayman has the best diving in the Caymans.
 
"Gcm was wiped out in 2004. Cayman Brac was wiped out in 2008" Incorrect - neither were wiped out.

Well... maybe a touch of poetic license.

Grand Cayman was severely impacted by Hurricane Ivan on September 11-12, 2004. It took more than 6 weeks just to get cruise tourism restarted. Longer for hotels for stay-over guests.

Cayman Brac was severely impacted by Hurricane Paloma on November 8, 2008. To date several properties still have not reopened.

Both were officially Category 4 hurricanes at the time they so greatly affected these islands. Saying a Category 4 hurricane has "wiped out" an island is perhaps not literally accurate - but is a reasonable way to describe the state of affairs when you have just seen entire apartment complexes washed into the sea.
 
Looking at my logs from last October with OF - all dives were appropriate time for
the depth and the air mix. I never felt pressured to end a dive early - averaging
around 800psi remaining with a SAC rate averaging .5 to .6 - and experienced divers
were free to do there own thing, not required to follow the group.

I just pulled my log and checked for the 13 - 2 tank dives we did in July with them. First dive (deep dives) I averaged 43 minutes, ranged from 49 minutes to 37 minutes. Max depths ranged from 113 (wife had 118 as she was following something to get a pic and no questions were asked sinceher computer did not have her in Deco) to 91 (we stayed up some at 91 at Babylon since it was the 3rd dive of the day). The second reef dives I averaged 61 minutes and ranged from 73 to 45. Max depths ranged from 73 to 51.
We were generally last or next to last to come up. Nothing was ever said about the times.
 
I just came back from the East End of Grand Cayman and it was a great experience. I will definitely be back.
We stayed at the Reef and it was beautiful. Great beach, nice rooms, friendly staff, and right down the road from Ocean Frontiers. They offered to pick us up before every dive, but we rented a car, which is a must if you stay on the East End. It took us about 45 minutes, with traffic to get to the hotel from the airport, but most of the drive is a long the coast and is quite beautiful.

Ocean Frontiers is one of the best dive ops I have ever used. We dived both the East end and the North Wall with them, and also did a night dive on the East end. We saw a lot of critters, turtles, lobsters, sting rays and there seemed to be a lot of fish, just nothing big. The wall and the reefs ont he east end seamed healthy. The North Wall, was more of the same, however we did see three eagle rays together, which made the dive. Also saw the largest turtle I have ever seen, which had a remora attached to it. The night dive was superb. The staff at OF are friendly, professional but laid back, and they will sherpa your gear if you let them. We kept the majority of our gear with them over several days.

The east end feels like you are staying on an island paradise, where SMB seems more like your typical Carribean cruise destination. If you want to be in the thick of things, stay on SMB. If you want to truly get away, stay on the East end. The drive really is not that far. We went to Georgetown for dinner one night and it did not seem that far.
 
You sound like you own the Turtle Nest Inn. Your personal interest is too obvious.

Sorry, readers, BODDENTOWN IS REALLY A DUMP !!

Look at the National Hurricane stats. Sept -Oct is peak hurricane season. Just because
one hasn't hit the CI in Oct in 10 years is pure luck. Says enough that they were clobbered
in Sept and Nov recently. Even if a big hurricane just goes by the island and misses it, the
diving will be seriously messed up for days from the storm swells.

Don't get me wrong. I like diving in the CI. I just don't think its worth the risk of dealing
with a hurricane in Sept-Oct, when you can dive there more safely in late Nov-Dec.
If you've never seen what a big hurricane is like, don't take it lightly. Ivan trashed GCM
in 2004.
 
Just one of the condos.Your lack of knowledge of the area is obvious.

Look at the Turtle nest Inn thread and the reply from Kathy who actually stayed there or better yet look at tripadvisor.com from hundreds who have stayed there .

I guess Nipi must own the Turtle Nest Inn also .
 
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My name is Bob . I have been diving in the Grand Cayman since 1983.
For the past 7 years, I have spent 6 weeks or more in Grand Cayman each year.
This Summer, I spent 2 months diving in Grand Cayman. I have NO COMMERCIAL
INTERESTS in Grand Cayman or any other Caribbean Island. I only reply to these
discussions to help other divers better understand what they can expect at a diving location. I hope to receive the same type of honest, straightfoward comments to help plan my own dive vacations.

A few days ago I posted on SCUBABOARD, my experiences from my Summer 2009
trip to Grand Cayman. My comments were honest and based on several experiences,
but perhaps a bit too pointed. My comments were critiqued by a person named NIPI

Unfortunately, it is obvious that these message boards are being used by people with commercial interests ( either diving Inns or Lodges, or diving operations) to pass along misleading information to prospective new customers, to motivate them to come and give them new business. A sad state of affairs.

I come to Grand Cayman almost annually with my family because the 7 mile beach is great, the Caymanian People are very friendly, crime is not an issue on GCM, you can buy whatever you need in the supermarkets, condos are cheap in the Summer, and it is a very easy relaxed lifestyle on the island. Oh yes, the diving is good,.. in select locations. I do a lot of diving, 60 dives this Summer. I always stay in the quiet West Bay area.

Someone with an apparent commercial interest in GCM has challenged one of my reports on this website. I will attempt to clarify several points.

I said "Boddentown is a dump". Well, perhaps we all have different standards. I consider a little broken down impoverished town , with damaged abondaned buildings, and trash on the ground an undesirable place for a vacation. The owner of the Turtle Nest Inn and condos ( in Boddentown) didn't like to read that and challenged me. Their purely commercial self interest is obvious. 5 years after Ivan, Boddentown is still
recovering, while the rest of the island was near 100% 2 years ago.

I said East End diving is spotty, meaning inconsistent. Seems like half the time I go
out there I see something exciting, like sharks. Whereas the other half time the dives
are ordinary. My detractor NIPI states that the East End has some of the best diving
in GCM.....I agree with him on that, but the diving there is inconsistent.

I said "the North Wall is beautiful but you will see few fish." Sorry NIPI, I have done
too many disappointing dives on the North Wall this Summer where there were very few fish. Yes you will see an eagle ray or two on most N.W. dives, and turtles are
commonplace, but an eagle ray & a turtle doesn't make a great dive. The numbers
of other fish are generally down most of the time.I have spent many dives on the N. Wall shooting MACRO, looking for little fish when the big fish that were supposed to be there didn't show up.

BTW, NIPI , it seems obvious that you run a dive operation when you said " we are diving the North all the time at present, due to the winds from the South" those
are typical comments from a diveboat captain. Your commercial interest is obvious.

I said "forget about diving on the West side, too many dying reefs". Of course there
are a few good spots, N/W Point, Orange Canyon, and the O.V. Wreck, on the West
side. But after those, the vast majority of West Bay divesites feature dead coral,
coral covered with algae, and low fish counts. The West side diving has suffered from overdevelopment on the West plus just too many inexperienced divers damaging the coral,That is the truth. Don't forget, there are many,many boats diving on the West side, and those few good spots are taken quickly, leaving the others.

I may have overstated when I said GCM was wiped out in 2004. NIPI insists it was not wiped out. But things were so bad that there was no power for nearly a month, tourism was not allowed for 2 months, many roads were covered with sand, 2500+ cars were destroyed, and many homes wound up in the sea.There were lootings and home break-ins in an otherwise safe place. NIPI is nitpicking me. Is this the kind of environment you want to find yourself in, on your vacation ?

I said Cayman Brac was wiped out in 2008. Perhaps an overstatement, but several
properties were severely damaged and still have not reopened. Things were so bad
that food collections were made in GCM, to send much needed food to the Brac.
Is that an environment you want to be in, in your vacation ?

NIPI, Regarding diving in the Sep--Nov hurricane season, just look at the National Weather Service data, most of the hurricanes occur in Sep & Oct, that is the period of greatest risk.The further you get away from that period, the lower you risk of a hurricane.I suggested going in late Nov for lower risk. NIPI was kind enough to remind me that there was a hurricane in November. Thanks, I knew that.....there was also one in December a few years ago. The REAL POINT is risk management, going when you have the best chance of missing a hurricane.In late Nov, you will have a much lower chance of bring hit by a hurricane than in peak October. I spend June thru mid August in GCM, NIPI.....thats considered hurricane season too, but rather low risk.

For those of you who have never been in a big hurricane, don't take it lightly, this is
serious stuff.Winds from Ivan were measured at 170 mph in Gerrgetown. Even if a big hurricane misses the CI, the winds and storm surge will likely mess up the diving for a few days.

What I'm saying here is the diver to diver truth. It's sad that we have people with commercial interests in GCM distorting things in scubaboard to get your money

The REALLY GOOD NEWS about GCM diving is that there is VERY GOOD reef diving along the North Coast, From the Cracked Conch Restaurant all the way to the Great
Sound. Just follow the mini wall that runs along this coast. This is prime shore diving
(very economical). There are god shore diving entry points at Lighthouse point,
Turtle Reef (cracked Conch), and Cobalt Coast. I was very impressed with the quality of the reefs & quantity of fish life in this area. I dove it from the shore and from boats.
In my opinion, this is the best, most consistently rewarding area to dive in GCM.
This Summer I have seen just about everything here except eagle rays & sharks. .
I have seen many Turtles, Tarpon, big Parrotfish,a Goliath Grouper, and all the common schooling fish are availible.I have seen large Octopus, very large dog snappers(4ft), crabs, unusual shrimp,lobsters, you name it. Sorry NIPI, this won't help your diveboat business.
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Get your facts straight.
I did not comment on the Turtle Nest Inn, only on the physical condition
of Boddentown. If you like impoverished towns, with broken down
abandoned buildings, it's for you.

I have no knowledge of the Turtle Nest Inn.
 
Who knew a simple request for info on east end diving could generate such emotions. I'll be happy to report back late October my impressions of east end diving, Boddentown, etc etc. And I've very aware Sept and Oct are prime hurricane months. I've made several trips to the Caribbean during these months and the numbers seem to indicate that at any particular island you may have a 1 in 100 chance of a hurricane hitting the week you are there. I'll take those chances. Now if it hits any of the few weeks prior you may have to cancel, but I'll live with that risk also.
 
Just one of the condos.Your lack of knowledge of the area is obvious.

Look at the Turtle nest Inn thread and the reply from Kathy who actually stayed there or better yet look at tripadvisor.com from hundreds who have stayed there .

I guess Nipi must own the Turtle Nest Inn also .
Get your facts straight.
I did not comment on the Turtle Nest Inn, only on the physical condition
of Boddentown. If you like impoverished towns, with broken down
abandoned buildings and trash on the ground, it's for you.

I have no knowledge of the Turtle Nest Inn.
 

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