The Problem with Science as a Substitute

[Thalassamania]

Interesting philosophical question, Thal, to wit:

Oh what is man, that god is mindful of him?

King David in Psalm 8:4 in the Hebrew Writings (as differentiated from the Hebrew Torah and from the Hebrew Prophets) asks this question, but does not give any direct answer to it.

Of course, David was speaking from personal experience, when asking the question. To him, it was a given, that god is mindful of him.

It is apparently a short list of persons whom god chooses to be mindful of and then goes on to make his mindfulness known. The Greek word for such persons is PROFETAS, which in English (a corrupted form of Greek) is called prophet.

Everybody else simply assumes equal treatment. And whether that is arrogance or not, who is to say? But it surely is a good question, for philosophers. Which you are not. Scientist, yes maybe. Atheist definitely. Philosopher, no.

I think you will be fine as long as you stick to science, and keep your thoughts focused on your own atheism, which is a form of BELIEF that there is nothing out there.

You will get into trouble however with your trite phrases on philosophy. And also, if you start to mix in religion as well.

For you, that would be like mixing up a bad batch of trimix, and then diving with it to the wrong depth. If you get my point.

The instant you inject "faith" or "belief" into the conversation I'm bored and want to leave ... those are completely irrelevant concepts as far as I am concerned worthy of a place in the "how many angels can dance on a head of a pin" hall of fame.

 

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Interesting philosophical question, Thal, to wit:

Oh what is man, that god is mindful of him?

Of course god is mindful of man. After all, he created him.

 

[Thalassamania]

Of course god is mindful of man. After all, he created him.

Don't make claims that you have no evidence to support ... it just makes you look stupid.

 

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Don't make claims that you have no evidence to support ... it just makes you look stupid.

Evidence?? Do you mean like I know I created my concept of god. And I have observed (from your writings) that you have created your concept of god. I'm sure I could review the records of what various participants in this and the previous thread have said and categorize each posters concept of god using categories as simple, perhaps, as "mythical" god and "real" god. That sounds like evidence to me. What kind of evidence were you looking for?

 

[Thalassamania]

Evidence?? Do you mean like I know I created my concept of god. And I have observed (from your writings) that you have created your concept of god. I'm sure I could review the records of what various participants in this and the previous thread have said and categorize each posters concept of god using categories as simple, perhaps, as "mythical" god and "real" god. That sounds like evidence to me. What kind of evidence were you looking for?

I'm not going to do this crap anymore, its boring and its stupid. You have evidence of a god ... put it on the table, without such evidence all you doing is spewing pseudo intellectual clap trap that wastes all of our time. The time for that game is past. See you and call.

 

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I'm not going to do this crap anymore, its boring and its stupid. You have evidence of a god ... put it on the table, without such evidence all you doing is spewing pseudo intellectual crap trap that wastes all of our time. The time for that game is past. See you and call.

I neither have nor see any evidence of a creator god. I see lots of evidence of a created god. Book, buildings, entire societies that recognize him. From your postings. it is fairly clear to me that you and quite a few others seem to recognize this created god. Am I mistaken?

 

[Thalassamania]

You have no idea of how mistaken you are.

 

[Sas]

You have no idea of how mistaken you are.

Correct me if I am wrong awap, but are you getting at that God exists, but only as an idea created by man? Rather than actually saying God existed as a creator, that created man?

I would agree with that. The idea of God certainly exists, and is very real to some people, but that means that there is no external impact on their lives, only what they have thought up themselves. So no afterlife... for one thing!

 

[Thalassamania]

The idea of anything that can be imagined exists ... that does not make the thing exist, except on Forbidden Planet.

 

[Sas]

The idea of anything that can be imagined exists ... that does not make the think exist, except on Forbidden Planet.

That wasn't what I was saying at all. I think ideas exist, and they are imagined, depends on how you define 'exist' really. Whether you mean only something physical can be considered to 'exist', or whether you would count abstract ideas. People who believe in God believe that he is real enough to affect the physical world, and that sounds a lot different to what awap is saying.

But anyway, I know little about philosophy and am in over my head, so I will leave it there