The Problem with Science as a Substitute

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Correct me if I am wrong awap, but are you getting at that God exists, but only as an idea created by man? Rather than actually saying God existed as a creator, that created man?

I would agree with that. The idea of God certainly exists, and is very real to some people, but that means that there is no external impact on their lives, only what they have thought up themselves. So no afterlife... for one thing!

Yes, that is basically what I am saying. I agree that the impact of god is largely internal to the individual but also have to acknowledge the many religious organizations assist in filling needs for many people. Afterlife - the dead go on for varying times in the memories of the living. Some disappear in a generation or two. Others may never completely disappear from the minds of the living. Physically, I expect to participate in one or more of natures recycling programs.

I see a lot of similarities between the concepts of god and santa clause. Including the commercial exploitations practiced by many and the harmful misuses that can occur.

 

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The idea of anything that can be imagined exists ... that does not make the thing exist, except on Forbidden Planet.

There are things that exist only as concepts in our imagination yet may be fairly important and have real life applications. How about "i"?

 

[daniel f aleman]

I think ideas exist, and they are imagined, depends on how you define 'exist' really.

Plato's "Idealism" - proven inaccurate.

Platonic idealism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That which exists, can be proven to exist: subject has mass. Simple... really.

 

[Sas]

Plato's "Idealism" - proven inaccurate.

Platonic idealism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That which exists, can be proven to exist: subject has mass. Simple... really.

That is not how all people define 'exist'. And I was certainly not talking about Plato's Idealism. The idea of God to some people has a huge impact on their lives, and is very real to THEM. However, this just means that only they are controlling the impact on their lives as there is no evidence of an external God, only what people imagine...

 

[nereas]

The instant you inject "faith" or "belief" into the conversation I'm bored and want to leave ... those are completely irrelevant concepts as far as I am concerned worthy of a place in the "how many angels can dance on a head of a pin" hall of fame.

Neither you nor I even mentioned faith. That is an issue of religion, particularly Christian or Islamic religion.

You mentioned arrogance.

I mentioned King David, an Hebrew king, and a prophet.

The question remains, "what if there is a god, then why should he consider man?"

It is really an issue of philosophy. Because the prophets do not tell us. And scientists cannot tell us.

 

[AXL72]

Hey what about those "healers'. You know, those guys that praise Jeebus and heal people of theri cancer, blindness, and paralized legs.

What about them? Real? or WWF staged wrestling?

Have we touched on this discussion between the old and this new thread, yet?

 

[nereas]

Hey what about those "healers'. You know, those guys that praise Jeebus and heal people of theri cancer, blindness, and paralized legs.

What about them? Real? or WWF staged wrestling?

Have we touched on this discussion between the old and this new thread, yet?

A mind with a philosophy like this is like a TV garbage heap, did you know?

Too much TV, irradiation from the tube for decades upon decades, and not enough reading of any kind.

Very little actual thinking, as a result.

"What if all the stuff on TV is for real, Beavis??"

This kind of apparent brain death seems to be a recurrent problem in the West, and it is the primary cause of the talent drain from India, Pakistan, Europe, and East Asia to fill jobs in American with intelligent and well educated talent from afar.

N'est pas?

 

[Sas]

Your mind seems like a TV garbage heap, did you know?

Too much TV, and not enough reading.

Very little thinking, as a result.

Nereas, address the issues that people raise, and do not attack them personally, it is quite offputting when one is trying to have a discussion of your OP.

Anyway, back to AXL72's comment. I would be interested to hear of any healer that has made a missing limb regrow...?

 

[nereas]

Nereas, address the issues that people raise, and do not attack them personally, it is quite offputting when one is trying to have a discussion of your OP.

Anyway, back to AXL72's comment. I would be interested to hear of any healer that has made a missing limb regrow...?

Sassy please give me a chance to polish up my posts first, sil vous plait?

AXL is trying his best to philosophize on TV stuff, granted. But he did not even try to show how that relates to science, or to the difference between science and philosophy or religion. Its more like throwing a pizza against the wall to see what he can make stick.

There was indeed a former thread that began with the O/P saying how much he loved Jesus, and a bunch of atheists saying how much they loved their science books instead. TV faith healing probably belonged in that thread, sure. AXL has not hinted however at why his brain thinks it belongs in this thread now.

A sign of brain death or not? I think yes.

 

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AXL is trying his best to philosophize on TV stuff, granted. But he did not even try to show how that relates to science, or to the difference between science and philosophy or religion. Its more like throwing a pizza against the wall to see what he can make stick.

There was indeed a former thread that began with the O/P saying how much he loved Jesus, and a bunch of atheists saying how much they loved their science books instead. TV faith healing probably belonged in that thread, sure. AXL has not hinted however at why his brain thinks it belongs in this thread now.

AXL brought up faith healing. You said it is TV stuff. Are you suggesting that the contribution of faith to the healing process is just another myth?