TDI Extended Range & Helitrox

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Ken brings up a good point. My view is that it really depends on what you're doing. Open ocean, no current, sunny daytime, familiar dive, I'm fine with "deep" air. Very cold or dark water, hard overhead, complex task or lots of work, I'm not so fine with it.
 
Well while not an expert I'm facing the same question, so here is the current state of my thoughts. I recently got an AN/DP c-card (actually I'm still waiting for the actual c-card) from a reputable TDI shop in Hurghada (excellent experience btw). I'm quite sold to the advantages of helium but I'm willing to dive where I live (UK) and where my family lives (France), countries where air dives to 60m officially and sometimes more (less officially) are still pretty much frequent. Helium for 45m dives is almost unheard of there, at least outside of caves, so I choose the DP over the Helitrox course. I had a few dives around the 40m mark and felt the narcosis was very manageable, the DP gives more time underwater but the depth increment is reasonable (40 to 45m). The keypoint here is : in the conditions of my mainly tropical dives.

At this point I think more about diving in the forties in conditions different from my training (ie. drysuit in england for instance) to get more experience, but later I think I'll pass on the extended range and go directly to normoxic trimix, simply because tek diving is a dangerous sport and I don't feel like adding more danger is needed. Deep air in ideal conditions is still an open question for me (if Helium unavailable for instance) but if I do it will probably be after my normo and with somebody used to it in a kind of apprenticeship. ie. I prefer to become familiar with this kind of diveplan and contingencies before, then, maybe, do it on an slightly impaired brain, if I feel my comfort zone is large enough to handle it.

Critics and suggestions on this plan from natural born fishes and more experienced divers are of course welcome !
 
Well while not an expert I'm facing the same question, so here is the current state of my thoughts. I recently got an AN/DP c-card (actually I'm still waiting for the actual c-card) from a reputable TDI shop in Hurghada (excellent experience btw). I'm quite sold to the advantages of helium but I'm willing to dive where I live (UK) and where my family lives (France), countries where air dives to 60m officially and sometimes more (less officially) are still pretty much frequent. Helium for 45m dives is almost unheard of there, at least outside of caves, so I choose the DP over the Helitrox course. I had a few dives around the 40m mark and felt the narcosis was very manageable, the DP gives more time underwater but the depth increment is reasonable (40 to 45m). The keypoint here is : in the conditions of my mainly tropical dives.

At this point I think more about diving in the forties in conditions different from my training (ie. drysuit in england for instance) to get more experience, but later I think I'll pass on the extended range and go directly to normoxic trimix, simply because tek diving is a dangerous sport and I don't feel like adding more danger is needed. Deep air in ideal conditions is still an open question for me (if Helium unavailable for instance) but if I do it will probably be after my normo and with somebody used to it in a kind of apprenticeship. ie. I prefer to become familiar with this kind of diveplan and contingencies before, then, maybe, do it on an slightly impaired brain, if I feel my comfort zone is large enough to handle it.

Critics and suggestions on this plan from natural born fishes and more experienced divers are of course welcome !

i know of several people who use helium in the UK. I think you will find it is far more common than you think.
Personally, if you are not used to UK conditions, I wouldn't go straight to 40m in the UK sea, especially without a bit of helium.
 
i know of several people who use helium in the UK. I think you will find it is far more common than you think.
Personally, if you are not used to UK conditions, I wouldn't go straight to 40m in the UK sea, especially without a bit of helium.
For the first point it's more related to France (you can find helium pretty easily as we'll but some old timers are a no big fans etc.). For the second, don't worry, I definitely won't do a 40m first dive in the UK (well first reason being I'll probably spend half the dive upside down trying to learn how to use a drysuit). Then I'll have to adapt to the low viz environment, cold water, etc. So definitely a gradual skills buildup.
 
Trying not to hijack this thread but I am curious for classification. Helitrox and DP are two separate courses, one on Air to 45m and the other one max 20%He to 45m.

I like the idea of helium for more complex/cold/dark/ low vis dives but at the range I expect in the tropics may not require He.

Given this, is Helitrox an extension of the DP course allowing the inclusion of helium in this range if required? Or would diving 40-45m on air having completed the Helitrox course be considered outside of training?
 
I don't rmember much about the ER dive on the wreck; I remember lots about the wreck when I did it on trimix.

I see no point in the ER course; just do the Trimix course. You learn more, you remember more, and you go deeper.


The bold part highlights the point of the ER course.

One point that you did not state was the availability of He around the world. It's not always available. The ER course gives you some insight to narcosis management and how it affects you. Some people will never dive beyond their preferred END. Some people are a little more flexible.
 
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"Narcosis management" is a tricky idea... it's like "driving drunk management".
One needs to think if the safe way to do something is not available, is it still worth to do it any way? Of course different dive conditions will have different impacts on narcosis and people have difference acceptance of risk. But it needs to be clear that it is more risky.
 
One needs to think if the safe way to do something is not available, is it still worth to do it any way?

Exactly. The ER course followed by a Trimix course can give you the experience to make that call. It's just a tool in the box a diver can use to assess risk.
 
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