Stages: 1/2+200 or 1/3rds

[PfcAJ]

Rjack, you're right. The oog diver should know when they are running low again. Still, they end up on the long hose, which results in a stop, donate, stage jettison, scooter clip off, etc. Why go through all that when there is 288cuft of untouched gas on donating diver's back?

 

[ucfdiver]

I'm not sure what hypothetical situation you're talking about.

You continue to dive your BM passages in BM. If you ever decide you want to see passage that not many others have see and do get a SM rig remember you should build up your proficiency in SM in OW and larger passage before you decide to take it into smaller passage.

I may be diving a stroke rig, but my back, knees, and ankles really appreciate it, especially considering I have bad knees and ankles. And I've seen some really great passage in that stroke rig, including passage that very few divers, and in some cases no other divers, have ever seen. :cool2:

I might have to teach you a PADI sarcastic diver specialty course, Rob. Here's proof I'm more open minded than you might think...altho if you make me dive a sm rig, expect lots of pissing and moaning!

As for the hypothetical one, it's the completely OOA diver myth that's passed on by a story of Sheck and an instabuddy admittedly already breaking 1/3rds, and diving deep air. I don't really consider a deep air instabuddy worthy of changing my dive plan, but that's just me. Like I said, when I want to see SM cave I'll swap gear configs, but I refuse to create a situation that's never happened in the history of modern gear cave diving to justify the switch, it would be purely dictated by the cave.

 

[ianr33]

passed on by a story of Sheck and an instabuddy

Could you explain that ?

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

If I ever get worried about a completely hypothetical situation that wont ever happen in real life, I'll be the first one to order a sm kit

Until then, I'll dive BM unless the cave requires SM, then I'll dive the stroke rig...but only because I have to!

Leave the stroke rigs and the stroke caves to us, eh? I'm fine with that.

Its a hypothetical that was brought up by a BM diver, not a SM diver



Thats not the situation that brought me to SM. It was diving off a small boat and doubles killing my back doing so... that and having to pass up all the beautiful BIG caves with SM entrances, not to mention all the straight up SM caves Long walks over crap trails(or none at all) and steep depressions made for a compelling arguement as well.




I agree with the right tool for the right job, I'd probably still have a BM rig if I could afford it. I can't though, so I picked a setup that can do any cave, not just the huge ones

 

[LiteHedded]

Leave the stroke rigs and the stroke caves to us, eh? I'm fine with that.

Its a hypothetical that was brought up by a BM diver, not a SM diver



Thats not the situation that brought me to SM. It was diving off a small boat and doubles killing my back doing so... that and having to pass up all the beautiful BIG caves with SM entrances, not to mention all the straight up SM caves Long walks over crap trails(or none at all) and steep depressions made for a compelling arguement as well.




I agree with the right tool for the right job, I'd probably still have a BM rig if I could afford it. I can't though, so I picked a setup that can do any cave, not just the huge ones

they're not all huge caves. they just look huge to 'you people'

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

they're not all huge caves. they just look huge to 'you people'

"Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! Violence inherent in the system!
Violence inherent in the system!"

 

[rjack321]

Rjack, you're right. The oog diver should know when they are running low again. Still, they end up on the long hose, which results in a stop, donate, stage jettison, scooter clip off, etc. Why go through all that when there is 288cuft of untouched gas on donating diver's back?

Its alot faster swimming seperately. If you've swam back to 2 stages each pick up one, switch 1st, give you back your long hose, then you switch. We can then start swimming independently while you stow your long hose. I can swim myself out of alot of cave by myself on 1700psi in a stage. (although I'm not gonna go through very tight restrictions with just a stage)

How would you propose we use up 2 stages we've just returned to? Simplest situation here: team of 2, we have no stages on us, and I am completely OOG & breathing your long hose. 2 stages are on the line up ahead, what do we do?

 

[LiteHedded]

well swimming is a whole lot different than scootering.
I'd conserve some backgas to handle the switches and use my own stages

 

[PfcAJ]

Ya, we aren't comparing apples to apples. If you swimming (which implies shorter penetrations and shallower depths) that's fine, but if you are scootering eagles nest, its not going to work.

 

[rjack321]

Are you guys multi-stage scootering Eagle's on OC?