Spin off from "Water as weight rather than lead?"

[dweeb]

I have had more than my fair share of brain farts... where reality plum eludes me. This board is a place to get what the instructor failed to give you or that you failed to absorb.

Given the amount of misinformation posted, that's a scary thought. In this very thread, 80% of it is tongue in cheek sci-fi comedic speculation. Almost no one took his question seriously, and at least half of those of us who did, were horrified that a certified diver asked it.

So please... ask all you want! The only Stoopid question is the one not asked.

Like all gross generalizations, there's a point where that one breaks down.

There's another proverb that a fool can ask more questions than 10 wise men can answer.

 

[glbirch]

Oh, look, the puddle grows!
I'm glad to see others saw this question in a sensible light.

Yup, the puddle is indeed growing. Sensible light?

I only know H2Andy from reading his posts, but even that limited exposure suggests strongly to me that having heard someone ask such a question out on the boat, he decided to post it (with his tongue ever-so-slightly in cheek) to see what kind of discussion it might generate. Based on that assumption, I'd say the post was quite successful.

 

[dweeb]

Jeez. give him a break, dude. Maybe it was the only question he missed.

Then the standards require that he had it explained until he understood it, and sign a statement that this had taken place.

 

[H2Andy]

guys, dweeb lives for this. he loves to hijack threads with his impersonation of
a total jerk.

i have it for a fact that deep down, he is a wonderful human being who loves bunnies,
but is afraid others might find out.

i live for the day he comes out of his closet

 

[Hank49]

guys, dweeb lives for this. he loves to hijack threads with his impersonation of
a total jerk.

i have it for a fact that deep down, he is a wonderful human being who loves bunnies,
but is afraid others might find out.

i live for the day he comes out of his closet

I think it's great that someone who is all knowing about diving...not to mention proper use of the English language...you have to admit...he's good at writing...so openly shares his knowledge freely on the board. Why, just look at his profile and his credentials....oh wait...he doesn't have anything there....It is entertaining though. Hank

 

[glbirch]

guys, dweeb lives for this. he loves to hijack threads with his impersonation of
a total jerk.

i have it for a fact that deep down, he is a wonderful human being who loves bunnies,
but is afraid others might find out.

Bunnies? I love puppy dogs and small children myself, but poor diet shouldn't be an excuse for rude behaviour.

 

[dweeb]

This post is really getting some traffic! I find it hard to believe H2Andy would post a thread like this for anything other than his amusement. Good job!

OOOOOOOH, can you just feel the "arrogance, hubris, and lack of respect?"

The only difference between this and my original post is that I explained WHY I thought it was a joke. I included the subtext.

 

[dweeb]

no, really... i am not that clever...

it was an honest question

(ok.. this sucks.. now i am trying to convince others
that i am not that bright... oy vey)

Is that something you should work so hard to do?
Seriously, you accuse me of needing to win an argument to the exclusion of all other considerations, but this exceeds what I would call acceptable casualties.

 

[dweeb]

Yup, the puddle is indeed growing. Sensible light?

I only know H2Andy from reading his posts, but even that limited exposure suggests strongly to me that having heard someone ask such a question out on the boat, he decided to post it (with his tongue ever-so-slightly in cheek) to see what kind of discussion it might generate. Based on that assumption, I'd say the post was quite successful.

Except that he claims loudly and forcefully that it wasn't a joke. I begged him to say it was, because my respect for him (yes, Andy, I did respect you, despite our disagreements) was on the line.

 

[dweeb]

you chose to be a jerk about the whole deal. I have no idea why you chose to act in such a condescending manner, but when you do, you only give yourself and our board a bad name. The only real point that you have made is that you have zero patience and even fewer people skills.

I have plenty of both, but this question is beyond the pale.

Give it a rest while you are still behind. There is no justifying your meanness

Meanness? Oh, I'm the big ole meany. If he's diving on basic knowledge this deficient, then I've done him a favor.
Those who tried to answer his question without judgment are harming him, because they are enabling him to avoid looking it up for himself and seeing what else he may have missed.
If he does the sensible thing, and goes back and reviews his OW text to figure this out and see what other basic items he missed or forgot (like never hold your breath), I may have contributed to saving his life.

and you have NO RIGHT to demand that anyone give up anything unless you issued the cards.

I have the right to demand whatever I please. I'm not holding a gun to anyone's head. I can assert that their certs should be revoked. You, or anyone else, is welcome to rebut that assertion with a reasoned counterargument.
My claim that they should relinquish their certs is far more ethically legitimate than your claim that I don't have the right to make it.

I'll say it plainly, with nothig about personalities, and get back on topic - understanding the basic concepts of displacement and buoyancy, well enough to understand that a bag of water is neutrally buoyant in water, rather than significantly negatively buoyant, is a basic knowledge component for any level of dive certification, and acknowledged as such by all major agencies, and as such, anyone lacking it should not hold a valid diving certification.