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But what if your buddy, whom has disappeared, is in real trouble, either below or on the surface? How are you to know if that's the case or not? If it was understood that we'd be a buddy team, which means staying together, then I'd call the dive everytime if I lost my buddy and couldn't find him after a minute or so of searching. The dive simply isn't worth risking "his" life on the assumption that he's ok. Time is of the essence if he is in trouble and I either want to find him, or get to the surface for reinforcements. If this buddy chose to simply ditch me and continue his dive without communicating as much to me, when we had planned otherwise, I'd feel his ears full on the surface most likely, but I most definately wouldn't dive with him again. But if we had planned to be a loose buddy team, meaning I know the general area which he is in but might not be able to see him, then that's different. I can even go along with a buddy going his separate way after the dive has started, as long as he let's me know and doesn't just disappear, but I'd rather stick to the plan and plan differently next dive. But that really isn't what I call buddy diving.
 
-It's an idea: Why not make than a specialty for "solo diving"? can be very good to train divers to do it properly. I asume that a lot of divers that dive solo are novice divers with limited experience, that simply didn't give the issue enough thought.

-If you dive, and during the dive you become seperated from your buddy by incident (you didn't mean for it to happen) than excuse me, you are a poor diver/buddy, and probobly your buddy is the same. It isn't so hard to keep a look over you buddy every few seconds, you should do it as often as you look at your gauges. I certainly wouldn't want to be your buddy, and it's imposible that your buddy was suddenly gone. If he's gone it means you'r also gone (for him).

-I hope everybody here dives with insurance. Does regular insurance covers for accidents that happen during solo dive?
I know that where I live you need special insurance for that. To take this point a bit further: If you dive for spearfishing, and intend to SELL the fish you are catching, than recreational scuba insurance doesn't cover you, as it is a profesional dive. I also belive that the insurance won't pay to cover accidents done in solo dives (without special insurance) becouse from the insurance company's point of few, this is an unnesessary risk.

-If you find yourself alone, for some reason, it dosent mean you should imply now the solo techniques. It means you must end your dive, surface, regroupe and decide what to do.

Ok, that's about it, just one more thing- about my friend, It's completly true. Over 20000 dives, over 40 years of scuba diving. When working as a profesional instructor, you do here at least 1000 dives a year, and this guy worked on and off for 40 years. He's kindov a scuba GURU here, he's mine at least. The best diver I've ever seen, short, fat ugly and absolutly pennyless (a true diving instructor!) looks like a stonefish, with great air consumption for his size (and he's the man on the worst shape I've ever seen).
 
Hello,

Warhammer, 1 concept, standby diver.

Ed
 
Originally posted by Liquid

-It's an idea: Why not make than a specialty for "solo diving"? can be very good to train divers to do it properly. I asume that a lot of divers that dive solo are novice divers with limited experience, that simply didn't give the issue enough thought.

There already is such a course being offered in the US.

Originally posted by Liquid

-If you dive, and during the dive you become seperated from your buddy by incident (you didn't mean for it to happen) than excuse me, you are a poor diver/buddy, and probobly your buddy is the same. It isn't so hard to keep a look over you buddy every few seconds, you should do it as often as you look at your gauges. I certainly wouldn't want to be your buddy, and it's imposible that your buddy was suddenly gone. If he's gone it means you'r also gone (for him).

I believe it's entirely possible to become separated from your buddy due to no fault of your own. Example: I decide to stop and take a picture of some interesting critter, I signal to my buddy what I'm about to do, he replies that he understands my signal, I turn my attention away from him and to my subject, in the meantime my buddy decides he'll see what's just over the next rise, I didn't see where he went. I'm now separated from my buddy and don't believe it's my fault. Sure in this case we could usually easily relocate one another and continue the dive, but we we're separated.




Originally posted by blacknet
Hello,

Warhammer, 1 concept, standby diver.

Ed

Well that would be the purpose of surfacing, to get assistance in locating the lost buddy. But as far as a true standby diver goes, meaning a support diver or a diver actually suited up and/or in the water ready to go if needed, I don't believe I've ever seen one being used for a rec dive, have you? It's hard enough arranging for a single buddy much less a third.
 
Hey MountainTurtle....were you bored when you posted this question or what ?? LOLOL :D I bet you never thought you would generate this much response. My own 2 cents is this ......It looks like most have been diving solo, against the general rule of never dive solo. We can debate the pros and cons of solo diving forever, yet we will not change the thinking of some..they will always dive solo at some point. Common sense should dictate whenever someone goes against conventional thinking. Is it safe, so I know the area, leave a diveplan with someone responsible, etc. But then again....with such a lawsuit crazy attitude taking over, why dive with anyone?? Going :bonk: just thinking about it.

Butch
 
You got your sticklers... people who go by the book at any cost...
Then you got your thinkers... people who use judgement to make thoughtful rational decisions... sorta like me :tease:
 
The following is straight from PADI's website:

Solo Diving: PADI Worldwide's Position
By:
Drew Richardson Senior Vice-President, Training, Education, Environment and Memberships, PADI Worldwide

Why PADI advocates the use of the buddy system

The buddy system in use today for scuba diving came from a decades old water safety concept found in swimming and lifeguard training. It was adopted because it applied to diving and because it made good safety sense. Early support of buddy diving safety procedures was referenced by Jacques Cousteau and the crew of the Calypso in the book "The Silent World". The goals of training divers include developing the skills to take responsibility for themselves and to be self-reliant. The buddy system provides divers in training with a safety redundancy to this skill base that diving alone simply cannot provide. PADI has, and will continue to, train divers using the buddy system based on its proven benefit to diving, divers and diving safety.

Practicality & Convenience

The buddy system has provided tangible contributions to millions of dives. Buddies provide an extra set of eyes and hands for each other. Providing assistance in putting on equipment, adjusting straps, assisting with weights and tanks, entering the water, helping to load and unload gear are but a few practical arguments that support the buddy system.

Safety:

The roots of the buddy system arise from diving and water safety. Early days of diver training heralded the buddy system as an important safety procedure because only through the buddy system could a diver reasonably expect to escape from entanglement, entrapment, out of air situations, disorientation, a head injury, chest pains, cramping and dozens more. Diver training and diving equipment have improved, yet these same values apply today. Like all safety-based systems, the buddy system is not perfect. However, the simple fact is that without a buddy in the water, the distressed diver has little or no chance of assistance.

The buddy system is the most basic form of scuba diving fail-safe. Buddies have helped each other in subtle and profound ways for decades. Often the smallest buddy intervention averts a string of error chains occurred and negative outcomes or tragedy. The safety record of scuba diving has improved dramatically over the past few decades, while the number of certified divers has increased. During this time, buddy system training techniques have been an integral component of this training. While there is no way to quantify the accidents that were prevented or did not happen because of one buddy looking after another, empirical outcomes support the relevancy and integrity of this training.

Enjoyment:

Diving is a social activity, so the buddy system is more than a safety rule. Diving with someone you know and are comfortable with adds to the fun. Most divers actually enjoy companionship in and out of the water. It is fun to share exciting adventures and experiences with others. Fundamentally, the buddy system is about dive companionship, something that won't appeal to misanthropic personality types.

Can Solo Diving be done responsibly?

Yes, but let's be clear about what responsible solo diving is and what it is not. It requires experienced scuba divers willing to make the necessary commitment to train and equip themselves to accept the added risks involved. That is to say, a person with the required attitude and aptitude to pursue responsible solo diving. This is true in other adventure sport activities such as solo rock climbing.

It is important to clarify what responsible solo scuba diving is. PADI views it as a form of technical diving and not for everybody. To responsibly engage in solo scuba diving, a diver must first be highly experienced, have a hundred or so buddy accompanied scuba dives, be absolutely self-reliant and apply the specialized procedures and equipment needed to engage in the activity. This includes, but is not limited to redundant air sources, specialized equipment configurations, specific dive planning, and management of solo diving problems and emergencies. When solo diving is performed within this description, we see a place for it. Responsible solo diving is not diving alone without the mental discipline, attitude or equipment. That said, no amount of redundant equipment can effectively back up a diver's brain better than another individual.

What concerns does PADI have with regard to solo diving

When a problem occurs on a solo dive, or when the diver is alone in the water, there is little or no chance of assistance for the distressed diver. This decreases the chances of a diver surviving the problem or having a favorable outcome. Diving alone reduces the chance of survival regardless of the problem. Since 1989, there were at least 538 fatalities where it was clear divers were either intentionally diving solo, or became separated from a buddy and were de facto alone.

PADI is concerned by certain proponents of solo diving within the dive industry, including a major diving publication, who attempt to promote solo diving by bashing both PADI and the buddy system with headlines touting " Why the Buddy System is dangerous". This is both irresponsible and reckless. To suggest that the buddy system fosters a false sense of security and increases the likelihood of panic is outrageous and contrary to the empirical evidence. To claim that divers shouldn't use the buddy system for fear of being sued by a diving companion is ridiculous. The unfortunate reality in the litigious U.S. is that folks have sued one another for nearly anything. It is no surprise that there have been a handful of cases where one buddy has brought suit against another. Outside of the U.S., this argument doesn't hold up and smacks of the fear mongering to sell magazines. Besides, how long will it be before a solo death results in a suit against a magazine or other forum endorsing solo diving, a practice that is contrary to community practice. There is nothing to prevent such lawsuits from arising.

PADI's position is clear; solo diving proponents should advocate responsible solo diving on its own unique merits, requisite training, and equipment needs and not through sensationalized attempts to disparage a proven safety system, that has served the majority of recreational scuba divers well.


 
That PADI Solo Diving Cert is limited to only 25 people per class. "We want you to have an intimate setting"... :tease:
 

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