Should I talk a friend out of lobster diving

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We had good friend/refresher student who rreally wanted to go on the night lobster dive with us, on the Marissa. It had been years since he dived and then in only Caribbean waters.
My husband and I ( he's and instructor, I'm a DMC) took him on a refresher scuba shore dive at La Jolla shores. He was afraid of leopard sharks and afraid to go below 30 feet. He actually made an uncontrolled ascent because he thought a shark was biting him. Thankfully, he remembered to breathe!
We told him that the lobster dive would not be the best starting boat dive in cold waters for him and he agreed. He had never night dived and lobster adds degrees of difficulty to the average night dive.
thankfully, he agreed with the decision not to go.
The conditions that night (hubby and I went) were rough with many experienced divers overcome by sea sickness. The waves and current made navigation back to the boat and getting onto the boat difficult. Water was 60 degrees. Visibility was 10 feet, worse on the second dive.
This was certainly not a dive for beginners. There was no hand-holding, no help with gear set-up, no DM Guided dive. Getting to the dive platform, making sure buddy checks are done was the responsibility if of the buddy teams, not the DM. (which is what my husband and I prefer). There were a couple of tech divers on board and everybody was experienced.
While we would have been like glue on our student, I honestly don't think the first dive, 90 feet in rough waters with waves, current and surge, would have been a good idea for him. What if he became separated from us? Could he navigate back to the boat? Not sure he had the presence of mind to use his compass. What if he panicked at 90 feet, like he'd done earlier at 30 feet, when he thought a leopard shark was eating him. Things get a little crazy while hunting. I had a free flow reg at 90 feet and shortly after my mask was kicked off by my buddy while stuffing a lobster into a bag. At 90 feet, panic because of a lost mask or free flow regulator would have been unacceptable.
Now,there were many exceptionally trained divers on board, the crew was diving a rebreather and doubles/OC.
Lobster diving is not really for the vacation, Caribbean divers. It's cold, rough, dark and can be deep. Plus, you have to remember to check air and depth while in the midst of chasing down lobsters. Big distraction! Serious task loading. Plus, many divers without night experience have freak-out episodes during night dives. Not a good combination at all.
 
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Diving aside, you are required to carry a lobster gauge and take lobsters only by hand. You also need a valid California fishing license with an ocean enhancement stamp plus a lobster report card. Now add in the cost of the trip and you would be better off buying lobsters at the local grocery store. I would suggest a day dive in an area where lobster take is legal to get used to diving and hunting first.

A common mistake - you don't go lobster hunting for the lobster - you go lobster hunting for the hunting.
Sure, pound for pound they are the most expensive lobster in the entire universe. But we still do it for the same reason we don't get underwater photos by downloading them from the internet.
 
We had good friend/refresher student who rreally wanted to go on the night lobster dive with us, on the Marissa. It had been years since he dived and then in only Caribbean waters.
My husband and I ( he's and instructor, I'm a DMC) took him on a refresher scuba shore dive at La Jolla shores. He was afraid of leopard sharks and afraid to go below 30 feet. He actually made an uncontrolled ascent because he thought a shark was biting him. Thankfully, he remembered to breathe!
We told him that the lobster dive would not be the best starting boat dive in cold waters for him and he agreed. He had never night dived and lobster adds degrees of difficulty to the average night dive.
thankfully, he agreed with the decision not to go.
The conditions that night (hubby and I went) were rough with many experienced divers overcome by sea sickness. The waves and current made navigation back to the boat and getting onto the boat difficult. Water was 60 degrees. Visibility was 10 feet, worse on the second dive.
This was certainly not a dive for beginners. There was no hand-holding, no help with gear set-up, no DM Guided dive. Getting to the dive platform, making sure buddy checks are done was the responsibility if of the buddy teams, not the DM. (which is what my husband and I prefer). There were a couple of tech divers on board and everybody was experienced.
While we would have been like glue on our student, I honestly don't think the first dive, 90 feet in rough waters with waves, current and surge, would have been a good idea for him. What if he became separated from us? Could he navigate back to the boat? Not sure he had the presence of mind to use his compass. What if he panicked at 90 feet, like he'd done earlier at 30 feet, when he thought a leopard shark was eating him. Things get a little crazy while hunting. I had a free flow reg at 90 feet and shortly after my mask was kicked off by my buddy while stuffing a lobster into a bag. At 90 feet, panic because of a lost mask or free flow regulator would have been unacceptable.
Now,there were many exceptionally trained divers on board, the crew was diving a rebreather and doubles/OC.
Lobster diving is not really for the vacation, Caribbean divers. It's cold, rough, dark and can be deep. Plus, you have to remember to check air and depth while in the midst of chasing down lobsters. Big distraction! Serious task loading. Plus, many divers without night experience have freak-out episodes during night dives. Not a good combination at all.

Wow. You really paint a picture. I have experience night diving, I have experience deep diving, and I have experience spearfishing, but I have never done even two of those in combination. I would much rather buy a lobster dinner than have been on the dive you describe. It's not for me.
 
If it was my friend, I wouldn't be able to post my talk to him because it would make little or no sense once all the expletives were removed. Possibly a better approach would be to remind him to leave his emergency information with the Skipper and insure his affairs were in order before he boards.

I love lobster dives, but I have seen some insane behavior out of otherwise excellent divers. Unless one of the buddy pair only watches the bug hunter seperation is inevitable (even during the day), which is why my buddy and I dive Solo on lobster trips. Before a trip, I completly check all my gear and make a couple of test dives in the prior week to shake out any issues. It's a fun dive but not an easy dive.



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Diving aside, you are required to carry a lobster gauge and take lobsters only by hand. You also need a valid California fishing license with an ocean enhancement stamp plus a lobster report card. Now add in the cost of the trip and you would be better off buying lobsters at the local grocery store. I would suggest a day dive in an area where lobster take is legal to get used to diving and hunting first.

Man, I'm glad that's not the case in Florida.
 
Then again, it seems that there is at least one fatality every year during the Florida "mini-season". If someone hasn't dived for three years, I wouldn't want to be their buddy on a night dive.
 
I would echo to others as well, and would stress a refresher course. I would also think that you may have answered your own question with 'you not feeling comfortable' with this trip.
 
Man, I'm glad that's not the case in Florida.

Or RI $40 permit good all year. OP, some people can take long leaves from diving and come back like riding a bike. My 1st dive after a layoff was a solo night dive, had a great time. If he can't prove he's one of those people to your satisfaction don't go.
 
Take him to Point Lobos and have a Lobster dinner in Carmel/ Pac Grove.:D
 
Then again, it seems that there is at least one fatality every year during the Florida "mini-season".
Headline in the Keys the day after Mini-Season: NO DEATHS DURING MINI SEASON! That shouts volumes about what I think about Mini-Season and those are the two days I stay dry or do something safe like cave diving. :D

Unfortunately, the real problems are our Captain Budweisers and Captain Morgans. Lot's of boats hitting divers. It's just not worth it for me to be exposed to once a year captains trying to manage the unmanageable.

That being said, you can call a dive at any time and for any reason: no questions asked! Tell your buddy you're not doing the dive without some day time dives in a controlled situation.
 

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