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Sea world is not a farm. If they breed, it's to have the next generation of shamu which draws in the bucks.
 
You're not diving the Living Seas at EPCOT are you? And if you are, can you just lie and say you're not so we don't feel too left out? ;)
 
_Bella_:
Cats and dogs are ultimately animals. We don't know any more about how they feel about their life than we know about how gorillas feel about life in a zoo habitat. We assume that because they wag their tails or purr they must be content. There are plenty of animals in zoos that exhibit no stress behaviours in their enclosures. Perhaps because they have adapted to their environment and are content?
I do agree with you that not all animals can survive (or belong) in an enclosure.
Still, I'd rather take a kid through a nice animal park (yeah they exist outside of africa) than sit them in front of the television.

Very true, and well put. I'd much rather my children learn something from a zoo or Sea World, etc... than just see it on TV. There's a big difference in the quality of learning, and the amount that it actually retained.

Wow... this thread has really taken a turn from the first post! ;)
 
_Bella_:
Cats and dogs are ultimately animals. We don't know any more about how they feel about their life than we know about how gorillas feel about life in a zoo habitat. We assume that because they wag their tails or purr they must be content. There are plenty of animals in zoos that exhibit no stress behaviours in their enclosures. Perhaps because they have adapted to their environment and are content?
I do agree with you that not all animals can survive (or belong) in an enclosure.
Still, I'd rather take a kid through a nice animal park (yeah they exist outside of africa) than sit them in front of the television.

Still with the dogs and cats?

Come on, your telling me primates do not exhibit stresses in captivity? Throwing feces at people and trying to hide out of site from the public, or slamming on the glass either with hands or objects is not showing signs of stress. They would seem pretty frustrated to me. As far as all the petting zoo animals, well I don't know what goes on in their heads. Same with birds. All though I would bet if you opened up the tops of those pens, most would not stick around. Might not be healthy for them to leave but I bet they would jet. I would think the Bald Eagles they have in captivity would much rather be aloft too.

When my cats or dog are stressed, trust me I know
 
Justitia praevalet . . .

the K
 
Well I will now add my two cents...Bella, I believe wholeheartedly that my 2 cats and 1 dog have a wonderful like. Are the wild? well there certainly is room for debate on the. I believe they are called "domestic" animals. Would they be better off in the "wild" no I do not believe they would be. I see tons of cats in rescue place and out in the "wild" and I don't think they are "living the life. And I am not sure how dogs and cats got into this topic.

So about parks...well I think there are certain ones that cater to the animals. The are rescued and rehabilitated and a lot of the times are not able to be released into the wild and survived, hence animal parks. I think that the parks that have natural living environments and more than ample space are great for learning and for the most part good for the animal. Is it sad, yes it is I would much rather them be in the wild. But you do have the little zoos that have animals in unnatural environments with cement and artificial trees...I don't agree with that, I think that is a horrible way for an animal to live. To keep a polar bear in a cement area the size of a small house is not appropriate and I do think that is a way for children to lean about an animal. It is not anywhere close to their natural environment and alters there behavior. What do they learn? And to look at an animal that actually looks sad is heartbreaking. They have proved the intellegence of Gorillas and to keep them in a bird cage is horrible! And I think taking children to that kind of place that doesn't appear to be conserned about the well being of the animals is not teaching your children anything valuable.

So there is my 2 cents.
 
cascbagrl:
Well I will now add my two cents...Bella, I believe wholeheartedly that my 2 cats and 1 dog have a wonderful like. Are the wild? well there certainly is room for debate on the. I believe they are called "domestic" animals. Would they be better off in the "wild" no I do not believe they would be. I see tons of cats in rescue place and out in the "wild" and I don't think they are "living the life. And I am not sure how dogs and cats got into this topic.

So about parks...well I think there are certain ones that cater to the animals. The are rescued and rehabilitated and a lot of the times are not able to be released into the wild and survived, hence animal parks. I think that the parks that have natural living environments and more than ample space are great for learning and for the most part good for the animal. Is it sad, yes it is I would much rather them be in the wild. But you do have the little zoos that have animals in unnatural environments with cement and artificial trees...I don't agree with that, I think that is a horrible way for an animal to live. To keep a polar bear in a cement area the size of a small house is not appropriate and I do think that is a way for children to lean about an animal. It is not anywhere close to their natural environment and alters there behavior. What do they learn? And to look at an animal that actually looks sad is heartbreaking. They have proved the intellegence of Gorillas and to keep them in a bird cage is horrible! And I think taking children to that kind of place that doesn't appear to be conserned about the well being of the animals is not teaching your children anything valuable.

So there is my 2 cents.

Your Stoopid:D
 
ClayJar:
You're not diving the Living Seas at EPCOT are you? And if you are, can you just lie and say you're not so we don't feel too left out? ;)


Actually, I am! And I'm really excited!! Wanna join us? Dec. 10 at 4:30 and it's $126 with a PADI or NAUI cert.


Ok... done hijacking my own thread! ;)
 
erparamedic:
Actually, I am! And I'm really excited!! Wanna join us? Dec. 10 at 4:30 and it's $126 with a PADI or NAUI cert.


Ok... done hijacking my own thread! ;)

Are you doing any other diving while out there?
 

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