Senate passes internet sales tax bill - will this impact where you buy gear someday?

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If this passes the house, does anyone think it will impact the online-vs-lds gear purchase dynamic? If the artificial* 5-8% price advantage that online seller have over b&m shops goes away... will the playing field level out a bit when you consider where to by gear? (* I say "artificial" advantage, because the fact is that the sales tax you "save" buying online is still due, currently. It's just the responsibility of the buyer to claim/pay it as a "use tax" to their state/county/city.)

Senate passes internet sales tax bill


Bill to overturn 1992 court decision has support of Obama, Amazon and Walmart – but its future in the House is uncertain

Senate passes internet sales tax bill amid opposition from conservatives | Technology | guardian.co.uk


The US Senate on Monday passed a bill aimed at ending tax-free shopping on the internet but the move looks set to face fierce opposition before it becomes law.


The Marketplace Fairness Act, which has cross-party supporter and the backing of powerful retailers, would give states the power to require retailers with sales over $1m to collect state and local sales taxes for online purchases.


The bill has the support of president Barack Obama the majority of senators including Republican John McCain but Marco Rubio, seen a potential Republican presidential hopeful, and Rand Paul both voted against the bill.


The bill passed the Senate by 70 votes to 24 but faces a second test in the House of Representatives where internet retailers and conservatives are already lobbying against the tax. House leaders have yet to schedule hearings or votes on their version of the measure.

The legislation would overturn a 1992 supreme court ruling that said a state could not force a retailer to collect sales tax unless the retailer had a physical presence in the state.


The bill has aligned unlikely parties. Amazon, the largest online retailer, has joined its bricks-and-mortar rivals including Walmart to support the act. Amazon was once a staunch critic of the tax but as it has built more distribution centers it has become liable for sales tax in more states and is now a backer.


The largest online opponent is eBay, which has campaigned against the bill and organised a mass protest by its sellers. Other opponents include numerous conservative and antitax groups including Americans for Tax Reform, FreedomWorks and Heritage Action.


Ahead of the vote the National Retail Federation called for Congress to "level the playing field" and tax online retailers. "The Marketplace Fairness Act is a commonsense piece of legislation necessary to modernize and streamline our federal and state understanding of sales tax laws so that they can keep current with real world change in the marketplace," said NRF senior vice president David French.


"As the retail industry evolves and digital commerce becomes a more prominent portion of total retail sales, it is critical that the tax laws not discriminate between businesses based on how their products are distributed," French said.


"This collection disparity has tilted the competitive landscape against local stores, creating a crisis for brick-and-mortar retailers around the country and in your state," French said.
 
Not for me. I like Diver Supply (not an ad for them, but I like them) because of their product variety, service, and prices. It is also helpful that they have a LDS in Marietta (about 20 miles away) and the online sales. Since they are based in Macon I have to pay the sales tax either way.



Follow-up question: When doing business here in GA the sales tax is based on the % used in the county where the product is transferred to the end-user, not where the business is located. So if a customer calls from County A where the sales tax is 5% wanting us to deliver and install a product in their home we charge them a 5% sales tax rather the 7% sales tax of the county where the business is located. How is this Internet Sales Tax going to work? Is the tax collected and kept by the State where the business is located or where the customer is located? If it's customer based this will be an absolute nightmare for internet companies.

Of course Big Company X could break up into smaller companies to stay below the revenue threshold.
 
Anytime you tax an item that has been tax free, you push people to look at a different venue. I shop both online and at dive shops in the area.Do I think this is a wise move, NO!! Instead of taxing more how about spending less? Or at least spending wisely.:wink:
 
A number of the businesses I shop on line from don't do a million a year I'd guess. I wish I did a million a year. I'd hire someone to handle the tax issues. Although there is a push to use the same definition of small business that the Affordable Health Care Act uses. 10 million or 50 employees. A small business selling big ticket items may not have the margins on a million dollars to set up a dept. to handle it.

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To answer the origional question, no, but I will still look for free shipping. I buy online because it's cheaper for me than driving 3 1/2 hours each way to the nearest Best Buy.
Not for me. I like Diver Supply (not an ad for them, but I like them) because of their product variety, service, and prices. It is also helpful that they have a LDS in Marietta (about 20 miles away) and the online sales. Since they are based in Macon I have to pay the sales tax either way.



Follow-up question: When doing business here in GA the sales tax is based on the % used in the county where the product is transferred to the end-user, not where the business is located. So if a customer calls from County A where the sales tax is 5% wanting us to deliver and install a product in their home we charge them a 5% sales tax rather the 7% sales tax of the county where the business is located. How is this Internet Sales Tax going to work? Is the tax collected and kept by the State where the business is located or where the customer is located? If it's customer based this will be an absolute nightmare for internet companies.

Of course Big Company X could break up into smaller companies to stay below the revenue threshold.

I've noticed some online vendors asking what county you are located in, and some just use the zip code. While either works, I live in Monroe County, with a 8 3/4% sales tax, but the city of Key West has 9 1/2%. On stock Island, which is in the county, we have a Key West zip code, so we are taxed 3/4% higher than if we shopped loally. Of course, there is no place to shop locally, so the point is kinda moot.
 
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The tax will not level the playing field. Online has the advantage of massive volume and worldwide reach. Local vendors have neither. Currently, while you don't (unless the vendor has a presence in your state) pay sales tax you often pay shipping so the field is already somewhat level. Moreover, by the Law of Unintended Consequences (also known as the Law of Moronic Legislators) the tax may very well drive at least some online vendors off-shore. Just what our economy needs.

As a retired computer applicatons programmer analyst of 35+ years I can tell you that programming for 50 different tax rates that change randomly at random intervals is somewhat more than complex. And consider what will happen when the county and local government parasites decide that they want to feed here too? Just more political "Here's another way to bleed them". And guess what - we deserve it because we don't vote the mefers out. Any one who votes for any incumbent is part of the problem. Yeah, your guy is the exception. Except that he's screwing me and my guy is screwing you. My political party is AI - Anti Incumbent. Sorry for the rant.
 
Probably not. My main reasons for shopping online are selection and quick delivery.

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I do a lot of shopping online for the conveinance, selection and since I'm away for two weeks a month, it's easier to order stuff online instead of wasting my time going back and forth to shops
 
If our 5% state sales tax were the only delta I'd buy it all locally. Ease and selection are the drivers for me and a great deal is sometimes to pass up. The sales tax is only subliminal icing on the cake.

The rub will be in tracking it all. Right now it's a no brainer for me to use the state's default factor to cover use tax on out of state purchases. If more and more are pre-collecting that may very well be overtaxation so taxpayers will need to track the non collected purchases for tax return time.

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Any one who votes for any incumbent is part of the problem. Yeah:
I'll go a little further - outlawing incumbency is a necessary first step in fixing nearly all of our political woes. But that's another LONG rant....:)


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