Second stage screws are too loose??

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I have a second stage Apex atx40 and another one Scubapro G250 Graphite. The atx40 is brand new and the G250 was just rebuilt 100% by the factory. Both of them appear to be loose when it comes to the screw connecting the hose to the second stage (NOT the hose to the 1st stage). I can unscrew the hose with my fingers – is that normal?? The scubapro connectors are just round with some grooves and you can’t use a wrench even if you wanted, unless you use pliers. This makes me believe that it might be designed to be unscrewed with ease. However the connector of the atx40 looks normal where you can use a wrench if you wanted. I know you don’t want to over tighten but are they supposed to be that loose? Thanks for your help.

-Johny
 
Should be a little more than just finger tight. No need to crank on it- just snug it with a wrench.
 
That is what I thought but then looking at the Scubapro screw which is round and not wrenchable makes me belive that maybe they should all be tighten just by hand?? Thanks
 
If it has slots like you mentioned there's probably a special wrench for it.

Your local dive shop might have it if they service that brand.
 
You are probably right about the special wrench but it is the local shop that rebuilt it and I just discovered how loose it was. Maybe I will call tomoroow and talk to them....,but my atx40 was loose too??
 
You are probably right about the special wrench but it is the local shop that rebuilt it and I just discovered how loose it was. Maybe I will call tomoroow and talk to them....,but my atx40 was loose too??
The "grooves" (splines) take a special wrench. Take the reg back and have them snug it up properly. Tell them you'd like to watch.
 
You can tighten them a little more than finger tight if you like. Just wrap a cloth around the Scubapros and tighten them by hand but don't crank down on them hard, the Oring does the sealing so a tight fit is not necessary. There is a special wrench for the SP nut if you must tighten them, you can also use a small size strap wrench. For regular hoses any wrench will do. None of mine are more than finger tight, I prefer them that way.
 
The idea behind Scubapro's splined fitting is to prevent customers from removing them. You can tighten them with a pair of pliers, just wrap the fitting in cloth and proceed carefully so you don't mar the chrome finish.

For a very brief period of time I dove with finger tight second stages on the then trendy theory that doing so would allow you to swap second stages with a deco bottle, etc if needed. The fact is it is virtually never needed and could be covered by taking a suitably sized wrench in a pocket - something like the scuba concepts wrench - a lightweight stamped metal wrench.

The problem with finger tight is that it has the potential to become un-tight during the dive and in the course of a couple gas switches it is possible to loosen the second stage to the point where the swivel o-ring is unsupported and fails. This kind of failure usually results in about 1/4 to 1/3rd of the 0-ring being blown out with a large leak resulting. Lots and lots of bubbles and no way to stop them other than shutting off the post with that reg on it - a potentially very significant problem for a single tank diver at depth. I dive doubles and have valves on my manifold but I prefer not to have to use them to isolate a failure. After isolating this particular failure at about 150', I decided finger tight was a bad idea regardless of what I read on the internet.

From the tech perspective, you normally assemble the second stages to the LP hoses finger tight to facilitate instaqlling an in-line adjustment tool on one, then the other to adjust the orifices. Then, once adjusted, you remove the tool, re-install the second stage and tighten the LP hose fitting. My suspicion is that the tech got interupted post testing/pre tightening and forgot about it. Not a major error and one that is easily fixed - but do not leave them only finger tight.
 
What do you mean by "rebuilt 100% by the factory?" Did you send the reg back to scubapro? If so, where? Or, are you saying that you just had it rebuilt at a SP dealer?

Just curious.
 
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