... or like this... the reef breaks waves apart but ofcourse the wind in this picture was nowhere close ... still if they were moored the waves wouldn't topple them and if they weren't and were on open water in the dark I don't see how could they've been saved so quickly...
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Sure Squintsalot
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This is usually the case when using crappy mobile devices using single band receivers limited to 2 sat systems; you're basically using a "compromised GPS system".
Oversimplifying for the sake of example, if 3 news stories of the 4 that the AI trawled say the boat was moored and 1 says it was not, the AI will tell you it was moored. Because it has no idea if the 3 stories are retweets of the same BS speculation and the 4th one: an eyewitness account.
It's a glorified calculator, it doesn't reason.
scubaozy
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Yep, google maps are not commercial grade, using it and causing an accident would be manslaughter right out of the bat.
Ok, my impression was that there are two separate statements, 1 says it was floating at depth, the other at it was capsized in the shallows and possibly beached upside down.
If the boat capsized close to a reef complex, I would expect it was either moored, or approaching to moor or leaving the reef complex. During mooring process boat will be vulnerable as it needs to stop and maneuver taking waves/wind abeam. At night, otherwise they have no business being so close to a reef complex at night. That alone would be unacceptable risk, it should follow a route that is far from all reefs at night.
Ok, my impression was that there are two separate statements, 1 says it was floating at depth, the other at it was capsized in the shallows and possibly beached upside down.
If the boat capsized close to a reef complex, I would expect it was either moored, or approaching to moor or leaving the reef complex. During mooring process boat will be vulnerable as it needs to stop and maneuver taking waves/wind abeam. At night, otherwise they have no business being so close to a reef complex at night. That alone would be unacceptable risk, it should follow a route that is far from all reefs at night.
I still find it quite extraordinary that capsized boat will float so long without a bottom contact. It took about an hour to sink Carlton Queen after capsizing last year in calm seas.. If this is the case, Kudos to rescuers on taking enormous personal risk in penetrating that boat.
Dan
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No updates, just so many unanswered questions.
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“Crazy! Insanely bad management,” says a Reddit commenter. “They also ran a boat Sea Legend that caught fire in Feb where one German diver died. And in 2022, another of their boat also caught fire. How are they still allowed to operate?“
“By the time the Navy arrived to the sinking boat several hours after it capsized, they cordoned off the area around the boat, and wouldn’t allow rescue crews from other dive companies in for another day, some 36 hours, on Tuesday. The reason is that there was a risk of a diver bubble entering an air pocket and changing the pressure in the boat. The whole boat could go down. One source says the boat was in 12 to 15 meters of water, another said 1000 meters. What was it?”
“Sea Story’s approximate location in the Red Sea/Indian Ocean. One source estimates 80 km out, another 20 km out in the sea. Depths are around 600m. Why is it reported that the boat sunk in 12 to 15 meters?”
“Rescue divers reported hearing knocking sounds coming out of the boat, meaning there were people trapped inside after the initial rescue. From Monday there was knocking coming out of My Sea Story. Why did the Navy only let the private rescuers in on Tuesday?”
“Why did it take so long for the Navy to come? The boat started sinking around 2:30 am. The Navy showed up at around 10am or 11.”
“Why does the Navy have no dive guides? Or equipment?”
“Why did the Tillis and My Sea Story go out when there were warnings and advisors against going to sea?”
“Was the cook driving the boat?”
“Why was an inexperienced captain in charge of such a large vessel?”
“Where is the captain of the ship? Is he on the run? A Facebook eulogy by a friend suggested he killed himself; others say he was in jail. Maybe he is in hiding?”
“Why are people booking on one boat and getting transferred to another?” This is referring to the 70yo survivor, Michael Miles, booked for Tillis and ended up on the capsized Sea Story. Luckily his cabin was on the floating end of the capsized boat and rescued after 36+ hours.
“Why is Liveaboard.com not refunding money to people afraid of the Dive Pro company in the Egypt who have booked trips on boats like Tillus, also unsafe remodeled boats?”
“Who is certifying an ancient dive boat as seaworthy?”
“Why was My Sea Story away from the dive site and why did they separate from Tillis, the sister boat on Sunday?”
“Why are there no images coming out from the Navy of the boat in the water?”
“Where is the wreck now?”
“Why are they hiding the original location of the wreck?”
“Why has the public not been told if the boat finally sank?”
“Why were rescued passengers denied their passports to go home unless they signed a waver?”
“One diver reported a hole in the boat? Was there a hole in the boat?”
“Why didn’t the marines try to prop up the boat from sinking? Use floatation equipment?”
“Where is the crew? Why aren’t they allowed to talk with the media?”
“Why are the actual divers who went into the Sea Story and saved lives, not being celebrated? Their contribution being told?”
More questions in the next post.
Unanswered questions after 11 people perished on an Egyptian dive boat accident
A dive boat sank in November, killing 11 tourists, and a number of unaccounted crew including divers. Why are there still so many questions about the
www.greenprophet.com
“Crazy! Insanely bad management,” says a Reddit commenter. “They also ran a boat Sea Legend that caught fire in Feb where one German diver died. And in 2022, another of their boat also caught fire. How are they still allowed to operate?“
“By the time the Navy arrived to the sinking boat several hours after it capsized, they cordoned off the area around the boat, and wouldn’t allow rescue crews from other dive companies in for another day, some 36 hours, on Tuesday. The reason is that there was a risk of a diver bubble entering an air pocket and changing the pressure in the boat. The whole boat could go down. One source says the boat was in 12 to 15 meters of water, another said 1000 meters. What was it?”
“Sea Story’s approximate location in the Red Sea/Indian Ocean. One source estimates 80 km out, another 20 km out in the sea. Depths are around 600m. Why is it reported that the boat sunk in 12 to 15 meters?”
“Rescue divers reported hearing knocking sounds coming out of the boat, meaning there were people trapped inside after the initial rescue. From Monday there was knocking coming out of My Sea Story. Why did the Navy only let the private rescuers in on Tuesday?”
“Why did it take so long for the Navy to come? The boat started sinking around 2:30 am. The Navy showed up at around 10am or 11.”
“Why does the Navy have no dive guides? Or equipment?”
“Why did the Tillis and My Sea Story go out when there were warnings and advisors against going to sea?”
“Was the cook driving the boat?”
“Why was an inexperienced captain in charge of such a large vessel?”
“Where is the captain of the ship? Is he on the run? A Facebook eulogy by a friend suggested he killed himself; others say he was in jail. Maybe he is in hiding?”
“Why are people booking on one boat and getting transferred to another?” This is referring to the 70yo survivor, Michael Miles, booked for Tillis and ended up on the capsized Sea Story. Luckily his cabin was on the floating end of the capsized boat and rescued after 36+ hours.
“Why is Liveaboard.com not refunding money to people afraid of the Dive Pro company in the Egypt who have booked trips on boats like Tillus, also unsafe remodeled boats?”
“Who is certifying an ancient dive boat as seaworthy?”
“Why was My Sea Story away from the dive site and why did they separate from Tillis, the sister boat on Sunday?”
“Why are there no images coming out from the Navy of the boat in the water?”
“Where is the wreck now?”
“Why are they hiding the original location of the wreck?”
“Why has the public not been told if the boat finally sank?”
“Why were rescued passengers denied their passports to go home unless they signed a waver?”
“One diver reported a hole in the boat? Was there a hole in the boat?”
“Why didn’t the marines try to prop up the boat from sinking? Use floatation equipment?”
“Where is the crew? Why aren’t they allowed to talk with the media?”
“Why are the actual divers who went into the Sea Story and saved lives, not being celebrated? Their contribution being told?”
More questions in the next post.
Dan
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More questions about Sea Story accident:
“Who will compensate tourists and the crew who lost their lives?”
“Some speculate that the Navy has towed the boat from the site where the boat overturned into shore, close to a reef. Why?”
“The rescue team that went in rescued 5 people. They found 4 bodies. There were no other bodies on the boat. Were there people still alive in their cabins?”
“According to this rescue story (we interviewed the daughter) the rescue crew could not get into all the cabins. Did they give up on them? Were the risks too great?”
“Who will compensate tourists and the crew who lost their lives?”
“Some speculate that the Navy has towed the boat from the site where the boat overturned into shore, close to a reef. Why?”
“The rescue team that went in rescued 5 people. They found 4 bodies. There were no other bodies on the boat. Were there people still alive in their cabins?”
“According to this rescue story (we interviewed the daughter) the rescue crew could not get into all the cabins. Did they give up on them? Were the risks too great?”
Dan
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Craig, I watched this The Yacht Report’s YouTube video,
and noticed that someone has corrected their list of 10 boats sank in Red Sea since 2017, in fact they were 16 boats that were sank since then. The list that they showed like the one you have posted here. I screenshot the 7:18 minutes of the YouTube video. Are you the one who corrected them?
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I noticed the error on the earlier report also but I did not take the time to send a correction. I was pretty sure that my list was reasonably accurate for those years. Someone else sent them the correction. Too bad I did not get credit for the spreadsheet
My list has a couple of corrections/additions. I believe that Seaduction ran aground, may have been unstable also. Sea Story appears to have 11 fatalities.
I'm extremely disappointed at how little information has been made available regarding the Sea Story. So many unanswered questions. Though there may be safer boats, and itineraries I would like to do, I will not be returning to the Red Sea/Egypt. That's the only way they will ever get the message that things must change. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, too many interested in a bargain without being aware, or caring, about safety. Very very sad.
I noticed the error on the earlier report also but I did not take the time to send a correction. I was pretty sure that my list was reasonably accurate for those years. Someone else sent them the correction. Too bad I did not get credit for the spreadsheet
My list has a couple of corrections/additions. I believe that Seaduction ran aground, may have been unstable also. Sea Story appears to have 11 fatalities.
I'm extremely disappointed at how little information has been made available regarding the Sea Story. So many unanswered questions. Though there may be safer boats, and itineraries I would like to do, I will not be returning to the Red Sea/Egypt. That's the only way they will ever get the message that things must change. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening, too many interested in a bargain without being aware, or caring, about safety. Very very sad.
Dan
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Those rascals! At least we know that’s yours! Great work!Someone else sent them the correction. Too bad I did not get credit for the spreadsheet
Me too!
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