scubapro G250 question

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I bought my G250 about 18 yrs. ago.An Instructor at my LDS wanted to know how much I wanted for it.Why, when he can buy a new reg at a discount.Is there any thing special about them?I know It still works great and is easy to service.Any thing else?
 
The older G250 has a metal air barrel which improves cold water performance, and for warm water wimps like me, moistens the breathing air and helps cut down on the dry mouth. If your 1st stage is a MK10, you've got a real classic and you should hang on to it.
 
Agree with Mattboy. The Mk10/G250 is the only reg I dive with for the past 10 years or so. They are a classic. I may even start looking for a third one for my anticipated purchase of a stage bottle.
 
It's a piece of junk! I'll take it off your hands for $10 :wink: Seriously, hang onto it if it's in good condition.

I have a decent collection of old MK10/G250s myself. They are sweet regs.

timortal:
I bought my G250 about 18 yrs. ago.An Instructor at my LDS wanted to know how much I wanted for it.Why, when he can buy a new reg at a discount.Is there any thing special about them?I know It still works great and is easy to service.Any thing else?
 
It is still a well built, well supported, reliable high performance regulator. The only thing most new, high performance regs have over it is a higher parts count. Take good care of it and it will continue to be a top-of-the-line regulator for many more years.
 
I work on both old G250s and new G250HP on a regular basis. On average the older G250 will knock the socks of a "new" and "improved" G250HP on the flow bench. I see several each year that I would love to buy.

Plus, as indicated above, the metal air barrel in the older G250 provides much better heat transfer than the plastic barrel in the G250HP. This results in more reliable performance in very cold water as it greatly reduces the potential for ice to form in the air barrel. It also nearly eliminates "dry mouth" as moisture in exhaled air condenses on the metal air barrel and is then re-inspired with the next inhalation.

The plastic air barrel in the G250HP is no doubt much cheaper to produce, but the fact remains the metal air barreled G250 is a much more desireable second stage.

I wish Scubapro would get it's priorities straight and go back to metal air barrels. it would pump some of the old exceptional level of quality back into the product line. Although to be fair it's not an SP trend but, unfortunately, an industry wide trend.
 
But if they went back to the metal air barrel, you wouldn't save that 1 or 2 ounces and eveyone would have jaw fatigue :wink:

DA Aquamaster:
I work on both old G250s and new G250HP on a regular basis. On average the older G250 will knock the socks of a "new" and "improved" G250HP on the flow bench. I see several each year that I would love to buy.

Plus, as indicated above, the metal air barrel in the older G250 provides much better heat transfer than the plastic barrel in the G250HP. This results in more reliable performance in very cold water as it greatly reduces the potential for ice to form in the air barrel. It also nearly eliminates "dry mouth" as moisture in exhaled air condenses on the metal air barrel and is then re-inspired with the next inhalation.

The plastic air barrel in the G250HP is no doubt much cheaper to produce, but the fact remains the metal air barreled G250 is a much more desireable second stage.

I wish Scubapro would get it's priorities straight and go back to metal air barrels. it would pump some of the old exceptional level of quality back into the product line. Although to be fair it's not an SP trend but, unfortunately, an industry wide trend.
 
I agree with the metal barrel being much less prone to cold water freeze ups. The other reason why people like them is the simplicity of repair and adjustments. The old G250 had less parts and only had tobe adjusted on the seating cone side. The new ones (G250HP) have more parts and have to be adjusted with a tool/screwdriver. If you rebuild your G250HP and you take it all apart, you will need a specific tool to adjust the spring tension side unless you get the latest update that will allow adjustment with a small screwdriver.

Jim
 
Yes, SP experimented with an "air off" balance chamber for awhile on some models that was designed to reduce the engraving that occurs in the LP seat during storage by preventing any spring pressure from pressing the seat against the orifice. It was generally a really bad idea that caused far more problems that it solved.

Adjustment is less precise (both on the bench and by the diver and performance suffers, plus it is much more mechanically complex and also leaves the system open during storage allowing dust etc to potentially enter between orifice and seat. It also solves a non problem as if the knob is backed off during storage and the reg is serviced annually, engraving is never a problem that effects performance.

In the distant past SP used a small key that fit in the purge button on it's second stages (Air 1, Adjustable, Balanced Adjustable, High Performance, etc) that kept the lever depressed during storage. This served the same function in a much simpler manner and gave the user the option of using it or not.

The simpler adjustment knobs on the older metal barrelled G250's also had a much better feel and the balance chamber is both very effective and dirt simple - good qualities in a regulator. It's an area where SP moved backwards in terms of reg performance.

Dan Gibson:
But if they went back to the metal air barrel, you wouldn't save that 1 or 2 ounces and eveyone would have jaw fatigue :wink:
I hear you....I am so sick of the "reduced jaw fatigue" excuse used by so many manufacturers. That marketing gimmic has allowed them to compromise quality and perfomance in the name of light weight when the reality is that plastic components are so much cheaper to produce. The older metal air barrels were much more expensive to compared to their plastic counterparts that probably cost less than a dollar to produce.

Same with plastic cases. They were introduced with the promise of great perfomance increases due to the more complex shapes that could be used, but with the exception of the D400, I have not seen unique designs that offerred improved performance over older brass cased models and the D400 was ironically enough eventually discontinued as it's unique design put excessive demands on poorly trained techs.

Reduced production cost was certainly a factor but the savings were never passed on to the consumer or even the dealer as the "new" plastic models sold for as much or more than their metal cased stable mates.

So in the end we have lighter plastic second stage cases that are more expensive, crack and produce terrible cases of dry mouth. And despite over hyped marketing claims convincing largely ignorant divers they need small lightweight second stages, jaw fatigue is still much more impacted by mouthpiece design and hose lenght than the weight of the second stage - and when is the last time you saw a reg manufacturer offer you any choice in hose lenght?
 
Plastic has such a negative conotation. I think manufacturers would prefer you to use more exotic terms like composite and ceramic :D

DA Aquamaster:
That marketing gimmic has allowed them to compromise quality and perfoma nce in the name of light weight when the reality is that plastic components are so much cheaper to produce.
 
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