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Scuba diver dies after being found floating at Kurnell, NSW, Australia

Discussion in 'Accidents & Incidents' started by Sir-Dive-A-Lot, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. mdb

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    We continue to question Marcia, and try to learn.

    She is dead.

    All our comments make little difference now.

    RIP Marcia.
     
  2. DiverGirl1972

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    I agree. I think bragging about the size of one's wing or SAC or amount of lead one requires is just silly.

    That said, I love using my tropical bc when I’m diving warm water with my 3mm wetsuit and it is perfectly safe and adequate for those conditions. I also clip on a 50lb lift bag as my dsmb, so I have a redundant source of lift if needed. When I’m in the quarry, wearing my 7/8mm wetsuit or even my drysuit, I use my Mares Kaila, which has nearly 40 lbs of lift. Again, perfectly safe and adequate for those conditions.

    The obvious lesson as it pertains to the wing is to ensure you are using the appropriate wing for the conditions you will be diving in and the exposure protection you’re using. The lesson is NOT that using a "tiny" wing will get you killed.
     
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  3. gypsyjim

    gypsyjim I have an alibi ScubaBoard Supporter

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    In the pic from her second dive, first one posted today by R, she is using the suit for buoyancy, but in the last pic from her last dive it now shows that air in her wing, and not the suit.

    Again, yes, there is a lot of bubble in the dry suit in the first pic, and nearly none in the wing, but in the latter image the large bubble is now located in her wing.

    This worries me, because Kurnel is NOT a deep site at all, and that much bubble in either the dry suit, or in the wing seems like quite a bit too much inflation for such a shallow depth. To me that would indicate that the diver is carrying too much extra lead.

    The second part of this observation is that with that large a bubble in the wing at such a shallow depth, how much more lift can the diver expect to get from the BCD at all, if/when she needs it? It would seem to me that once Quero reached the surface she was going to need more than that wing to provide the extra buoyancy she would need to stay afloat. If for any reason she could not, or did not use the dry suit for extra buoyancy, that BCD might not have had sufficient lift remaining for her, that steel tank, and the extra lead (plus of course the camera)

    Diving with buddies the last few minutes of her life, and we might be enjoying her pictures of weedy sea dragons, instead of discussing WHY this turned out the way it did.

    As I read her last few posts, Marcia was struggling to find a way to stay warm by experimenting with layering different types of undergarments, while also learning/trying maintain good buoyancy. To me it seems that she was adding more weight than she really needed, in order to try to regain trim in the new dry suit, which is not terribly unusual when attempting to learn to dive dry.

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    A lot of air in both scenarios. Just placed differently

    In the end, it still boils down to her own decision to not rejoin the group for the swim back to the exit, that led to her being without a buddy to assist her when she most needed one. No matter what caused the final failure, or cascade of failures, it was choosing to go it alone to the exit that cost her everything.
     
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  4. AfterDark

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    Sadly a wing that was not up to task.
     
  5. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    We do that here, because if we were not allowed to discuss these here for some reason - then it'd happen elsewhere. Here is more reasonable.

    You can unsubscribe from the thread. Condolences are more appropriate in the Passings forum.
     
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  6. gypsyjim

    gypsyjim I have an alibi ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Our comments here will make no difference at all to Marcia.

    The discussion is for those who would like to:

    Understand what happened

    Learn how to avoid such tragedies in the future
     
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  7. clownfishsydney

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    I was the one who posted that she had 26 lbs of weight. This is what I was told by the person who brought her to the surface and then to the shore. However, I have now been told that this was a guess and may not have been correct. What is not deniable was that whatever weight she had, the persons concerned thought that it was excessive. The photo of Marcia taking the photo of the sea dragon (the last photo above), would be taken at 10 to 12 metres I suspect.
     
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  8. Jax

    Jax Deplorable American ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Thanks, Michael, for all your efforts.
     
  9. Peter69_56

    Peter69_56 Scuba Instructor

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    There is a fine line between being a helpful diver with good intent, and a nosy know all ******* who annoys everyone. We are all very much aware of this and tend to NOT comment perhaps when we should for fear of offending someone we know or respect. In hindsight not a good thing but very understandable.

    I have a philosophy at work (in the electricity industry which is highly dangerous). "Better to tell me and for you and I to know I am a fool than for me to stuff up and let the whole world know I am a fool". I expect people around me to make respectful comment, if I think they are wrong I respectfully explain my thoughts and why. If I am wrong, I thank them and make the changes.

    Perhaps there should be more of this in diving rather than the; arrogance, don't tell me I am an expert, or I know everything and need to tell everyone attitude one sometimes sees.

    ---------- Post added October 14th, 2013 at 01:41 PM ----------

    This is the harness style I have and am trying. Made by Northern Divers.
     
  10. almitywife

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    ^^ From speaking to the diver that did more than one dive with Quero, there were a number of suggestions made (weight configeration/ankle weights, different fins etc) and they felt that their suggestions were dismissed/pushed back.

    I have also been contacted by another diver, someone who I have met so not just a faceless online person, who had dived with Quero within the past 6mths and this other diver felt a similar way.
     

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