Robbery

[spiritd1]

AS usual, THE MAN attempts to have the upper hand. So Im done with this Blogging, a simple question has now become ENGLISH 101, Walter Im sorry that I offended you with the improper verbage in my original Blog. I forgot, especially since I dont EVEN know U, how PERFECT YOU MUST BE. I poseda simple question, robbery/ burgarly and I get slammed. So if u dont like my use of the English Language, quit blooging on my Blog, I would be 100% happy to be seen with myself. As for spending My hard earned American dollars on and in Bonaire I will continue inspite of the incident, can I use this word or is it incorrect?, : 10/07 someone incidenttly came into the house that we rented in Bonaire and rempved our personal items for their benefit. I have changed the context of my wording of the incident to please some PERFECT MAN ,UGGHH, named Walter.

THe original question was has or was or is there anything being done about INCIDENTS happening on Bonaire. but it seems all the MEN answering the question must have the supremest BUMS leaving the last word adn correcting an innocently enough posed question. Walter
get a life adn a drinK!!!!!

 

[jd950]

Well, if you want to be technical about it, there is no point looking at a dictionary; at a minimum you need a law dictionary. More pertinent still would be the "definition" of the crime in the jurisdiction you are talking about.

Unless someone can produce the actual language from the statutes in question (Bonaire law, Dutch law, N.A. Law?) it is hard to say with precision where the line is. Even then, you would quite possibly have to look at judicial decisions interpreting the language of those statutes.

If we are going to be anal about it, perhaps we could even discuss the fact that in many places, a burglary comitted while in possession of a weapon is a more serious crime than "regualr" burglary, and often a crime of violence on a par with a robbery. Ibn other places in the world, burglary of a place actually occupied is a differnt crime than burglary of a place unoccupied at the time. Which applies here? Who cares?

It is possible that the crime in question was MORE serious than robbery, depending on whether the perpetrator was armed or not, and what their intent might have been.

On other hand, who gives a hoot....having someone in your room stealing stuff while you sleep is a big deal to most people, and that was the point.

"We was Robbed!"

(Shouted into the microphone by Max Schmeling's manager in protest of the decision in the heavyweight title fight between Max Schmeling and Jack Sharkey, June 21, 1932)

 

[spiritd1]

maybe u can use ur "BOOT" and get Walter scooting out of here

 

[cappyjon431]

maybe u can use ur "BOOT" and get Walter scooting out of here

Nah, this is obviously his forum. We are just privileged to visit here. Actually I like most of what he posts, I just didn't understand his initial response to you. Then again, we all have bad days...

 

[Zieg]

It is nice to see that someone broke out a dictionary. I wish more of my former students would have. You will note that your dictionary definition states that "robbery" and "burglary" are synonyms (I don't need to define that). Now, throw into the mix that we are talking about English usage on other islands with different cultures and you might understand why these terms are used interchangeably in most areas of the Caribbean and the Bahamas.

When you write "So, I believe that Walter is correct. Walter is always correct. Actually, Walter doesn't make statements that are not true, and he usually can back up his statements with facts, not opinions," I really got a good laugh. So I guess all those folks living in the Caribbean (police as well as citizens) who use the term "robbery" for what Walter considers "burglary" are incorrect. Talk about a very limited world view.

My issue with Walter's response was that he came across very heavy handed with the original poster. To make a blanket statement that the OP's imprecise use of language reflects poorly on him is: 1. An opinion, not a fact. 2. Based on an Anglocentric definition and word use. No one has bothered to refute my analogy with the word "boot." 3. I was offended by Walter telling me that through his post I may have "learned something." I am a dissertation away from a PhD in English with a concentration in English as a Second Language and I can tell you without a doubt that Walter's use of definitions for the U.S. and its legal systems are appropriate, but to try to use those same definitions for other countries and other cultures smacks of ignorance.

I guess ignorance is bliss.

You can argue the English usage in other locations all day long but that changes nothing. We are not in the Caribbean or the Bahamas. You're in Panama so shouldn't you be using Spanish?

I have no problem communicating, and neither did the originsal poster. Because of my experiences (and we are all products of our experiences), I was able to see the title of his thread and not assume what he was trying to say. I guess I just don't understand the cyberbullying thing of jumping on somebody for supposedly misusing language. Perhaps after 15,000+ posts on Scubaboard I will better understand.

Pissed? Too bad. It appeared to me that Walter was simply being informative. I am sure that I was not the only one who made the same error as Walter did pertaining to the title of the thread. Kym should not feel insulted or bullied or "jumped on".

It's not like Walter put his post in bold.

First, I understand the distinctions between burglary, robbery and theft very well.I've practiced criminal law for over 20 years. And I will tell you that in talking to potential jurors during jury selection in hundreds of jury trials, it has become clear to me that many if not most don't know the difference between robbery and burglary(let alone aggravated robbery,robbery,aggravated burglary, burglary, and breaking or entering) Like the original poster(spiritd1 on scubaboard a.k.a. Kym on bonaire talk), most laymen don't bother with the distinctions. I say we cut Kym some slack and look at what behavior she describes and post accordingly.
Second, Kym's post here was prompted by a thread that I started on Bonaire Talk entitled"Should we talk about bonaire crime on scubaboard instead?"(now found under community chat) I started this thread because Kym tried to relate how she had been a victim of a crime on Bonaire and had the audacity to do so without a police report. Her thread was quickly frozen--She just wanted to know what the Bonaire police were doing about crime. I was savaged by most posters(the bonaire cheerleaders) for my thoughts and defended by a few. I think Bonaire is a great place. There is crime there-- like everywhere. But , it is the only place I know of where where standard procedure is to leave you doors to the truck unlocked or deal with broken glass. That said ,I still plan to go back someday-after bali/komodo,png, and n.sulawesi.(so many places, so little time) In the meantime let's hope the Bonaire authorities will do their job and reduce crime to a minimum. The crime problem on Bonaire is certainly not being improved by Bonaire Talk's moderators and their policy of "no police report--then there must have been no crime". The net effect is to deny and hide the true degree of the problem and say to the forum members that they're not smart enough to spot the snake oil salesmen from the truth tellers. I'm glad this forum allows an unfettered discourse.End of rant.

No problem with Kym. I understood the distinction after reading the post. Some people get waaaaay too bent out of shape over some of Walter's posts. To me, it's like correcting someone when they say "Me and Bill went to the store", that one drives me up the wall. But I deal with it. Like Walter's posts, I find them very informative. None of them have ever gotten me to use bold letters.

 

[cappyjon431]

You can argue the English usage in other locations all day long but that changes nothing. We are not in the Caribbean or the Bahamas. You're in Panama so shouldn't you be using Spanish?



Pissed? Too bad. It appeared to me that Walter was simply being informative. I am sure that I was not the only one who made the same error as Walter did pertaining to the title of the thread. Kym should not feel insulted or bullied or "jumped on".

It's not like Walter put his post in bold.



No problem with Kym. I understood the distinction after reading the post. Some people get waaaaay too bent out of shape over some of Walter's posts. To me, it's like correcting someone when they say "Me and Bill went to the store", that one drives me up the wall. But I deal with it. Like Walter's posts, I find them very informative. None of them have ever gotten me to use bold letters.

Definitely not pissed, I'm just ignorant on how to respond to certain paragraphs. I wrote in bold only to differentiate between my words and the previous poster's words. I apologize if I came across as pissed. I know how to quote a post and reply, but not how to reply to certain paragraphs. I would love for someone to tell me how to do this. Then I can say I did learn something today.

I know you are not in the Caribbean or Bahamas, but the crime was committed in the Caribbean. My point was that it was very possible that the law enforcement officer in Bonaire used the term "robbery" for something that others might define as "burglary." So why jump down the original poster's throat? Why belittle someone for something as trivial as writing "robbery" when "burglary" might have been more appropriate?

By the way, Bocas del Toro, Panama has many English speakers. It is made up of indiginous Indians, Panamanians of Spanish ancestry, Afro-Caribbean, and lots of expats from all over the world. The different uses of the English language are fascinating, and perhaps that is why I am tolerant of alternative usages/definitions.

 

[Zieg]

Definitely not pissed, I'm just ignorant on how to respond to certain paragraphs. I wrote in bold only to differentiate between my words and the previous poster's words. I apologize if I came across as pissed. I know how to quote a post and reply, but not how to reply to certain paragraphs. I would love for someone to tell me how to do this. Then I can say I did learn something today.

I know you are not in the Caribbean or Bahamas, but the crime was committed in the Caribbean. My point was that it was very possible that the law enforcement officer in Bonaire used the term "robbery" for something that others might define as "burglary." So why jump down the original poster's throat? Why belittle someone for something as trivial as writing "robbery" when "burglary" might have been more appropriate?

By the way, Bocas del Toro, Panama has many English speakers. It is made up of indiginous Indians, Panamanians of Spanish ancestry, Afro-Caribbean, and lots of expats from all over the world. The different uses of the English language are fascinating, and perhaps that is why I am tolerant of alternative usages/definitions.

Understand. But if the crime was committed in Germany, would we have to use that vernacular? No. I believe, for the most part, we are Americans talking to Americans. When we talk to someone from other locales, we tend to give a bit on the language usage. But to jump on Walter just because he likes to correct people for their language usage is a bit of cyberbulling itself. I do no believe that Walter jumped down the OP's throat or belittled the OP. He was just pointing out the difference between robbery and burglary.

Are people in Bonaire being approached and mugged (to use a different word to minimize confusion) with a knife/gun or intimidation? Do the police treat face to face robbery the same as the OP reflected for the break in? That is the distiction. That was Walters distiction. I don't think he was splitting any hairs. He wanted to clarify what the OP was saying.

I too have done my time in Panama. I was very familiar the place a few years ago. I've surveyed both approaches to the canal as part of a Navy team. Declined transiting the canal because it would have been aboard a Mine Sweeper. I want to do that aboard a cruise ship with a drink in my hand, not standing a watch. Did get some neat side scan of trains in the canal though.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

Just left there and need not to say every thing went fantastic. we went to the yellow submarine dive op and got are tanks and weights, washington park marine badge.

Left truck unlocked and nothing in it, works sweet. Easy deep divin and the same as in the south and north of the reef structure was similar. Yet the park went deeper for the first dive in the morning.

We also stayed at a nice house and the gardners were locals but nothing gone at are place, david phillips (janet jackson nipple ring photo) stayed at our place and left when we arrived.

I,m sure there is crime, small island where everyone helps each other and the bad ones stick out.


HAPPY DIVING

 

[El Orans]

Anybody else suffering from Post-Bonaire Depression?

It's been four years and it's getting worse by the day...

Must... visit... again... in... 2010...

 

[shoredivr]

Yes. It's been 7 years and I miss it very much, it ruined me for shore diving, hence my board name.