Nailer99:And from what I've been able to glean of his character from reading his posts on this board, he would have approved of this thread.
I think he would be/is laughing heartily.
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Nailer99:And from what I've been able to glean of his character from reading his posts on this board, he would have approved of this thread.
mdb:H2Andy: Does all this speculation really make any difference or serve any real purpose? He may have done this or maybe did that.
There was a rebreather fatality near Hemmoor in Germany recently where a diver ran out of gas, made an emergency ascent, and decided to ditch his rebreather. Unfortunately he forgot to remove the torch mounted to his forearm. The cable connected him to the rebreather, he was pulled down and died.lamont:It seems pretty clear to me that with air left in the bailout bottle that he didn't just drown because of a flooded unit pulling him under (although i hadn't recognized that as a risk with rebreather divers -- note to self made about closing the mouthpiece in a rescue situation).
In a post at Rebreather World Iain Middlebrook makes a very good case linking CO2 to heart attacks. "Cascade" is a good term, as usually there are multiple failures, may they be hardware, software or user, that start adding up for accidents to have a fatal turnout.... only if there's a link between CO2 and MI can we really say that the unit started the cascade in that case
It would be as it quotes his wife's post on Rebreather World.riguerin:Specifically, it says ""We know he released his weightbelt and ascended very rapidly." This is consistent with the very first post on rebeather world which included a note from Rob's wife.
They did a buddy check at about 70 ft, then continued the descent. The buddy lead the way, when he turned next he realized Rob had bailed off his rebreather and turned his dive. He halted his descent, saw Rob reach the surface and swim on his back towards the boat which was a short distance away. Rob seemed in control, not distress or danger.DandyDon:My questions about the buddy were ONLY to see how close he was in viewing Robs final time at the surface - in pursuit, or still at 80 ft. I suppose he may well have stayed down, which would make details from his observances doubtful.
Kim:I believe that his buddy stayed at 80ft and continued his own dive because he believed Rob to be OK. As caveseeker7 just explained they would (al)most certainly have had an emergency protocol worked out in advance. His buddy was a personal friend AND one of Rob's own students. It would stand to reason that he would act exactly as he had been taught by Rob.
H2Andy:to me it does. it helps me come to terms with what might have happened to rob.
i think it's human nature to want to know how someone one cares for passed away.
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I'll finally pipe in: Andy has said it all. ... That is really we discuss and even sometimes speculate. It helps us come to grips. Sometimes it prevents other incidents. Sometimes we even get it right.
lundysd:(I'm a little rusty on this, but... you would think that a lethal PE would have presented prior to his dive though; knowing Rob, you would think he would have scrubbed the dive with any of the symptoms of a PE, however diffuse they may be. It is, however, a very plausible argument, especially given the circumstances...
I have a friend who made a flight from India back to Germany. His girl friend picked him up and on the way home he had a massive heart attack sitting next to her in the car. No warning at all. He survived....just - but then he was in a good hospital within minutes. Obviously no-one can be sure but this IS a possible that fits all the known facts. If it makes us more aware of the importance of exercise during long flights to those exotic dive destinations that can only be a good thing.catherine96821:no, there would be no symptoms until it hit the pulmonary tree circulation.
mdb:H2Andy: Does all this speculation really make any difference or serve any real purpose? He may have done this or maybe did that.
Facts are; a good man died doing something he loved. Lots of folks, obviously, loved him. Not a bad way to go.
MikeFerrara:Once the trouble started though, I doubt that he was loving what he was doing.