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Jay_SMART_Diver:
HHHMMM...how much is worth making sure your LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT works right. My last reg service was $125.00 well worth it. San Marcos, Texas, USA.

So you paid $125 to reduce the possibility of a worn or old part failing and possibly spoiling a dive in exchange for the increased likelyhood of a service related failure which could also spoil a dive. That price seems a bit high but after a sufficient service interval and with a good shop the service is probably appropriate. My experience with scubapro regs is that they can easily go years without requiring parts replacement.

The "life support thing" is really overdone. Anyone who seriously believes that a regulator problem is a serious threat to their life should not be diving. If you ever get to pull my lifeless body out of the San Marcos river, the chance of it being related to a regulator failure is rediculously remote. My "river reg" worked just fine again yeaterday and it's been at least 2 years since I opened it up. Just a periodic check of IP, cracking pressure, and leak; and it is ready for a few more dives.
 
Sorry I can't help it, but some of your guys are morons!

Let me put it this way your 100-80 feet under water what is keeping you alive? Could it be your regulaor???? Thus your regulator is LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT! If you can't see that then in my opion you are a moron.
Now as a person that has serviced quite a few regs you would be suprised what condition so regs have been when they were opened up, sand, corrosion, bad o-rings, bad seats, popets, diaphram's, mouth peices, ect... even though I work at a dive shop sometimes we have to order parts because we don't have them in stock let alone them being included in the anual service kit. Oh yea and one more thing almost every brand/ model of reg has special tools required for their service...
There is a reason that you take regs to the PROFESSIONALS and there is a reason they charge what they do, I could go into all the cost but I won't bore you...

Get your reg serviced by a professional in the time intervaul set by the man. It is worth every penny.
One last question, What is your life worth????????
 
divecon15:
Sorry I can't help it, but some of your guys are morons!

Let me put it this way your 100-80 feet under water what is keeping you alive? Could it be your regulaor???? Thus your regulator is LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT! If you can't see that then in my opion you are a moron.
Now as a person that has serviced quite a few regs you would be suprised what condition so regs have been when they were opened up, sand, corrosion, bad o-rings, bad seats, popets, diaphram's, mouth peices, ect... even though I work at a dive shop sometimes we have to order parts because we don't have them in stock let alone them being included in the anual service kit. Oh yea and one more thing almost every brand/ model of reg has special tools required for their service...
There is a reason that you take regs to the PROFESSIONALS and there is a reason they charge what they do, I could go into all the cost but I won't bore you...

Get your reg serviced by a professional in the time intervaul set by the man. It is worth every penny.
One last question, What is your life worth????????


I tend to agree with you. For the most part it takes at least an hour to service a set of regs. That's if they are in good shape and everything goes right as it should. We get $30 a stage and if there's a warranty to be applied for parts we apply it.

As usual these guys are knocking the LDS because they are trying to make money too. I imagine that when the toilet get clogged and the Plumber charges them $100 to fix it they don't complain a bit. That's one piece of LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT they aren't willing to live without. You don't see them on the plumbing boards complaining.

So the way I see it based on these guys opinions A plumbers labor is worth alot more than the guy who's fixing their Regulator.
 
divecon15:
Sorry I can't help it, but some of your guys are morons!

Let me put it this way your 100-80 feet under water what is keeping you alive? Could it be your regulaor???? Thus your regulator is LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT! If you can't see that then in my opion you are a moron.
Now as a person that has serviced quite a few regs you would be suprised what condition so regs have been when they were opened up, sand, corrosion, bad o-rings, bad seats, popets, diaphram's, mouth peices, ect... even though I work at a dive shop sometimes we have to order parts because we don't have them in stock let alone them being included in the anual service kit. Oh yea and one more thing almost every brand/ model of reg has special tools required for their service...
There is a reason that you take regs to the PROFESSIONALS and there is a reason they charge what they do, I could go into all the cost but I won't bore you...

Get your reg serviced by a professional in the time intervaul set by the man. It is worth every penny.
One last question, What is your life worth????????

SURE, IT IS REASONABLE TO CONSIDER IT "life support equiopment". (We are using caps for emphasis, right.) Along with things like your mask, BC, inflator, and your weight belt buckle and of which could catestrophically malfunction contributing to a serious incident. My problem is playing it like it is some kind of trump card to seperate some customer from his cash.

My point is simply that if you really believe that your life is dependent one a piece of rubber that cost the mfgr about $0.01 then you should not be diving. Regs will have problems. Most serious problems will reveil themselves as you set up and test your gear before a dive. Minor leaks are nor uncommon to find during a dive, and will generally do nothing more than possibly shorten your dive at most. For more serious problems, a diver should be planning for available courses of action including reverting to an alt 2nd for things like wet breathing due to a damaged diaphram, mouthpiece, exhaust valve, or primary case o-ring failure. Other problems with your reg may require switching to a redundent air source or perhaps a CESA. None of these things are inherently life threatening. A diver either need to be prepared to handle such thing or they should not be diving. Having a properly functioning reg serviced introduces the opportunity for a servicing error that may cause the same kind of problems you were hoping to avoid. I'm not saying don't service your gear. Lots of things can go wrong with a reg (and other things) and it is probably better to catch these problems at the incipient stage thru periodic inspection and service.

My problem is with folks who would fund their diving by coercing and gouging customers out of their diving $$$. I hope you are not one of them, but you are making the same kinds of statements as they tend to make to induce divers to paythem for annual service with no more consideration than it is recommended (some say required) by the mfgr.

And then there is all those expensive tools. It's a wonder we even had regulators before we had ultrasonic cleaners. If one has the right tools for working on a motorcycle, you are probably under the cost of one service away from having all the tools you need to service your reg. Of course, that doesn't include the professional looking flow bench found in many shops. But that is more like the difference between working on your car while it is up on jack stands rather than having a professional lift. Many special tools are mostly a way of discouraging folks who have no business from fiddeling with it rather than preventing knowledgable DIYer from doing their own thing.

Annual service is appropriate for many divers. It is clearly worth it to the guy working the cash register. How much it is worth seems to vary a bunch: $20 to $40 per stage plus parts with 0% to 500% markup.

How much do you charge? Please, go ahead and bore us a little.
 
akscubainst:
As usual these guys are knocking the LDS because they are trying to make money too. I imagine that when the toilet get clogged and the Plumber charges them $100 to fix it they don't complain a bit. That's one piece of LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT they aren't willing to live without. You don't see them on the plumbing boards complaining.

So the way I see it based on these guys opinions A plumbers labor is worth alot more than the guy who's fixing their Regulator.

Yeah, I missed the annual service on my toilet so now I'm going to have to pay double the normal labor price plus $20 for a new O-ring.

Actually, that is a lot like my regulators in many ways. I have a couple so very few problems constitute an emergency. I usually chose to fix them myself, but the plumber is still happy about any business I decide to take his way (same approach taken by LDSs I support). Unlike regs, parts are readily available at reasonable prices.

I don't think anybody is knocking LDSs for trying to make $$$. I think the criticism is based on how they justify their prices in relation to the prices of their competitors. And on how they try to punish folks who don't buy their stories. And finally on the poor jobs some of them do in spite of charging prices one would associate with quality work. LDSs need to learn to be competative or they will be replaced.
 
divecon15:
Sorry I can't help it, but some of your guys are morons!
...
There is a reason that you take regs to the PROFESSIONALS and there is a reason they charge what they do, I could go into all the cost but I won't bore you...

Get your reg serviced by a professional in the time intervaul set by the man. It is worth every penny.
One last question, What is your life worth????????

I find it hard to call someone a "professional" after an afternoon at a manufacturer's service class.

Also how many specialized tools are really needed, not just speeding up the process. I'd bet you could buy everything you needed for less than the cost of a typical rebuild.
 
M_Bipartitus:
I find it hard to call someone a "professional" after an afternoon at a manufacturer's service class.
Even worse... after they take this class, the "LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT" fairy makes them think their labor is magically worth $30-40 more an hour.

M_Bipartitus:
Also how many specialized tools are really needed, not just speeding up the process. I'd bet you could buy everything you needed for less than the cost of a typical rebuild.
Zeagle's service manual says I need the following tools:

Soft-jawed bench vise
1/4" Allen wrench
3/16" Allen wrench
5/32" Allen wrench
6" or 8" good quality adjustable wrenches
15" good quality adjustable wrench
Zeagle Pin Spanner
1st Stage Annual Service Kit
Clean Shop Rags
LTI Christo-Lube 111
Intermediate Pressure Testing Gauge

So... basically I need a IP Guage, a Pin Spanner, the Parts, and some Christo-lube
(have everything else):

IP Guage- $50
Pin Spanner- $20
Christolube- $22 bucks for 2 ounces... lasts a long time.
Airspeed Press's Regulator Service Guide - $50

Parts Kit-$20

So for less than $150 in tools, and $20 in parts, I can rebuild my regulator.

Those of you who are going to say that no mere mortal should touch LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT... take a look at the exploded parts diagram. This isn't exactly rocket science.

awap:
I don't think anybody is knocking LDSs for trying to make $$$. I think the criticism is based on how they justify their prices in relation to the prices of their competitors. And on how they try to punish folks who don't buy their stories. And finally on the poor jobs some of them do in spite of charging prices one would associate with quality work. LDSs need to learn to be competative or they will be replaced.
This man is a genius... the LDS can justify anything when they make you believe your life is on the line. That is far from a fair business practice, and should not be tolerated.

-Brandon.
 
I think it's likely that those who scream the loudest about the whole "life support equipment justifies the price" argument are those who most treat their regs like crap (I'm sure there are exceptions). Maybe they willingly pay and justify the high prices because they feel the tech will forgive their sins.

FWIW, my LDS charges $25 per stage + parts. I get paid $5 per stage to service them.
 
Oh man, if you people knew who was fixing your regulators - your precious LIFE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT, you'd quit diving in some cases. Yup - there's lot of great qualified techs out there - and you'll pay accordingly.
Then there's the rest of the pack. Reg service is not rocket science, and guess what - there aren't a lot of NASA space engineers repairing regs. You get people that ran the fryer at McDOnald's before they became a divemaster though.
I have had some supposedly qualified techs work on my gear, but then I had problems with it. I take responsibility for my actions, so I fix my own gear now. It's not hard - after the first time, you'll wonder what all the shop mystery is.
Parts are another story. I only buy stuff that I can get parts for. So feel free to pay away and trust your life to a stranger in most cases.
Not me though. Thanks...
 
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