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Scott,

I never intended for this to be a bash Scott thread. I really appreciate you answering our questions.
I was just wondering something. When you do train a tech, how long is the training? Is it days or a week? I was just corious on the process.
I know you won't be able to change policies overnight, but I believe everyone has made some good points on here so you may want to concider them if you will.
Also, if there is any lawer on here that wants to give FREE advise on the liabality issue , feel free to chime in...lol.

Thanks again Scott for lisening

Tom
 
I was a factory trained and authorised reg tech for a few certain brands, Zeagle not one one of them. However due to the local importers regulations, once I left the dive shop I was working at the authorisation was revoked. Thats what I call crap.
Luckily i use Apeks and Oceanic and kits for them are available all over the grey market.
 
Caston:
Scott,

I never intended for this to be a bash Scott thread. I really appreciate you answering our questions.
I was just wondering something. When you do train a tech, how long is the training? Is it days or a week? I was just corious on the process.
I know you won't be able to change policies overnight, but I believe everyone has made some good points on here so you may want to concider them if you will.
Also, if there is any lawer on here that wants to give FREE advise on the liabality issue , feel free to chime in...lol.

Thanks again Scott for lisening

Tom

No worries - Like Uncle Pug once told me, "If you wanted to just blend in, you shouldn't have used the name ScottZeagle"...:D

While that sometimes would be nice (just blending in), it was never my intention - I am here to answer your Zeagle questions and offer advice when I can. ;)

A normal reg seminar takes about 3-4 hours. That covers our first and second stages, as well as the Octo+ and power inflator servicing.

Scott
 
ScottZeagle:
A normal reg seminar takes about 3-4 hours. That covers our first and second stages, as well as the Octo+ and power inflator servicing.
Scott

Hummmmm.....I think that's why many divers like to rebuild their own regs.
 
As "StSomwhere" has stated most manufacturers don't sell directly to the general public. That is true for a majority of manufacturers in all industries and this statement is true for Dive Rite. However they do make their kits available to the general public through their dealers. Here is the reply I got back from Dive Rite.

"We do not sell directly to the public, but you can get them through many of our dealers. You can try www.diveriteexpress.com
I know they carry parts in stock."

This can easily be interpreted that they are fine with the general public having their service kits. I wish the same was true with the other manufacturers.

Scott, We do appreciate you following this thread through. We know that it takes time to make changes. If we can get Zeagle(a well known dive company) to change thier policies hopefully the rest of the industry will slowly follow suite.
 
The issue of liability keeps coming up regarding this issue. I just don’t buy it. As pointed out by others, safety critical parts such as brakes for autos, and likewise equipment from many other industries, are available to any consumer who wishes to purchase it. The manufacturer’s liability is generally limited to the manufacture of a defective product. Not for shortcomings caused by the person servicing or operating the product. Removal, installation, modification, use, general maintenance and proper use, or lack thereof, is the responsibility of person or business doing so. Sure, anyone can sue anyone for any reason for, but I doubt litigation brought on by a person who, for whatever reason, failed to properly service his equipment will go very far either against the company making brakes for cars or service kits for SCUBA regulators. Truth be told, the manufacturer who takes it upon itself to train regulator “technicians”, considering what appears to pass for training, (based on numerous posts here by those with first hand experience in this matter) should indeed be very concerned about liability issues arising in this matter.

Awap touched on the reason why manufacturer’s protect their dealers. Service is a source of revenue for the dealer. Not only in terms of parts and labor for service, but by keeping and bringing in customers who will make additional purchases from the local dealers. A mutually beneficial relationship.

The fact is, whether we look at the auto market or the SCUBA market, the size of the “do it yourself’ market is a very small portion of the overall market. The majority of those who perform their own servicing fall into two categories: 1) the person who wants to save money, for various reasons, and 2) the hobbyist, who for various reasons, including the aforementioned one, also prefers to do it himself. Again, the overwhelming majority will prefer to have a qualified tech perform their equipment service.

It seems to me that allowing dealers to determine for themselves whether they wish to sell regulator service kits to the public allows them to more precisely target their their market. This would be in the interest of all parties, including the consumer. This would allow the manufacturer and dealer to reach out and attract a greater number of customers, whether brick and mortar or online sales, but that’s a different issue.

It’s always good to get the manufacturers perpective on issues of interest to the hobbyist, even when only a partial picture is presented. Just being brutally honest. I do appreciate ScottZeagle’s effort to reach out to existing and future potential customers by taking advantage of this relatively new medium of communication. .
 
ScottZeagle:
A normal reg seminar takes about 3-4 hours. That covers our first and second stages, as well as the Octo+ and power inflator servicing.

Scott

Scott

What are the knowledge and skills prerequisits to get into this training & and what kind of OJT mentorship usually follow it. It took me 3 to 4 hours just to work my way through the first few chapters of Oxyhackers book on how stuff works (I'm a slow reader). And I have a fair bit of mechanical backgroud having grown up with hotrods and then did my own work on a '73 Volvo for 200K miles.
 
awap:
Scott

What are the knowledge and skills prerequisits to get into this training & and what kind of OJT mentorship usually follow it. It took me 3 to 4 hours just to work my way through the first few chapters of Oxyhackers book on how stuff works (I'm a slow reader). And I have a fair bit of mechanical backgroud having grown up with hotrods and then did my own work on a '73 Volvo for 200K miles.

The only prerequisit is that you are an employee of a Zeagle dealer.
The entire seminar is hands on - each person services a 1st stage, 2nd stage, Octo+, and power inflator as Jim Fox goes through each step with them. At the end of the seminar, each person leaves with manuals and videos to back up what they have learned. They also are ENCOURAGED to call Jim Fox with any questions or concerns once they get back to their shops.

I'm sure that there are people on this board who have taken one of our reg seminars - what was your opinion?
Did you leave the class feeling like you had the skills and knowledge required to service equipment???

Scott
 
As many people have stated DiveRite sells and supports end user, DIY, reg repair. From there new letter:

--
You are invited to the first Dive Rite Regulator Maintenance seminar available to the general public.

In our most recent newsletter we polled our customers for their opinion regarding DIY regulator maintenance. The response was overwhelmingly positive! Dive Rite has to agreed to offer a regulator maintenance seminar presented by a factory representative.

The seminar will contain the same content as a factory training seminar offered to the insider pros during DEMA. You will learn the details about the internals of the Dive Rite regulators and get the latest information on their new 2500 series.

However, the seminar does not officially certify you to perform regulator maintenance. You will be required to sign a liability release prior to the start of the seminar.

The seminar is scheduled for 6-9PM April 14th, the
day before Ocean Fest Dive Expo 2005 opens in Fort
Lauderdale. To reserve your seat at the Dive Rite Regulator Maintenance Seminar you must pre-register by calling 954-786-0661.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seminar Details
------------------------------------------------------------
Dive Rite Regulator
Maintenance

DATE: April 14th, 2005

TIME: 6-9 PM Eastern

LOCATION: Pompano Beach Florida
 
WOW!!!! First the Berlin Wall and now this. Love it.


JimC:
As many people have stated DiveRite sells and supports end user, DIY, reg repair. From there new letter:

--
You are invited to the first Dive Rite Regulator Maintenance seminar available to the general public.

In our most recent newsletter we polled our customers for their opinion regarding DIY regulator maintenance. The response was overwhelmingly positive! Dive Rite has to agreed to offer a regulator maintenance seminar presented by a factory representative.

The seminar will contain the same content as a factory training seminar offered to the insider pros during DEMA. You will learn the details about the internals of the Dive Rite regulators and get the latest information on their new 2500 series.

However, the seminar does not officially certify you to perform regulator maintenance. You will be required to sign a liability release prior to the start of the seminar.

The seminar is scheduled for 6-9PM April 14th, the
day before Ocean Fest Dive Expo 2005 opens in Fort
Lauderdale. To reserve your seat at the Dive Rite Regulator Maintenance Seminar you must pre-register by calling 954-786-0661.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seminar Details
------------------------------------------------------------
Dive Rite Regulator
Maintenance

DATE: April 14th, 2005

TIME: 6-9 PM Eastern

LOCATION: Pompano Beach Florida
 

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