Recommendations for divemaster course in Thailand

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Shops can agree on a benchmark price, but are, of course, always free to vary from it when push comes to shove. Mermaid's, for example, agreed to bump day trip prices last November after the 3 biggest shops all agreed to it. They never actually did it, however. They're price is still what it was pre-October. In fact, new ownership there has their new beach road shop selling snorkelers at 2005 prices and dive trips at 2500 because they're just a block away from the old Mermaid's shop.

No one wins on severe price competition. Sure, the customer may get a break short term, but eventually service and quality suffer. There are plenty of examples of that in Thailand where ther'es an oversupply of shops who are willing to go to any price for, say, open water courses. If you're doing OWs for 7,000 baht, corners will need to be cut.

It's not good for the shop, the industry and ultimately the customer.

OW courses in Pattaya, btw, have been the same price for more than 6 years, at 14000 baht. A couple shops do it for less, or include the manual for that price, but most stick to the benchmark and instead try to market based on the size/quality of the boat, the meal & hotel pickiup service, the amount and quality of the gear and the standard of the instrucors and DMs.

As it should be, imho.

Sorry, but again I can not agree with this statement, and now I am not talking about courses, just simply a days diving.
I have recently been in Vietnam where I was paying $32 for a days diving.
I must add that the service was excellent, I received exactly what I was sold, excellent dive guides giving us dives generally in excess of 1 hour and returning to the boat with around 50 bar, acheiving the maximum possible from the dive for the customers, good boat and equipment, and good food.
If this can be acheived in Vietnam for $32 why is this not the case in Pattaya when most shops are charging in excess of $90
 
Lord Khram, you have your criteria about what makes for good value diving. Comparing different countries isn't always helpful when it comes to price, maybe if I had the overheads normal to Vietnam I could sell diving at those prices, but this is Thailand. As for service, you don't like it, move on, but don't blame the whole town. I'm sure there are companies that will let you dive as you like, find them and enjoy! Other divers do.
 
Lord Khram, you have your criteria about what makes for good value diving. Comparing different countries isn't always helpful when it comes to price, maybe if I had the overheads normal to Vietnam I could sell diving at those prices, but this is Thailand. As for service, you don't like it, move on, but don't blame the whole town. I'm sure there are companies that will let you dive as you like, find them and enjoy! Other divers do.

I am afraid all the shops in Pattaya seem to run the diving on the same theme, and I do not object to paying the prices, but what I object to is being taken on escorted dives duration of the Pattaya standard 40 minutes (in some cases even less than 30 minutes) and ending these dives with in excess of 100 bar left, and no where near the DCL. Many times cylinders are not full to start with I have been given as little as 150 bar? and many times I have been promissed to be taken to specific locations only to be taken somewhere different?
Pattaya shops charging the high prices they do should have more regard for their customers wishes, and as yet, none of them can answer my question on this no refund policy even when they have not provided what they sold.
What are these high operating costs in Thailand? I would be very interested to know. I am certain overheads in Thailand are much less than the UK, and there I can book dives for about half the cost I can in Pattaya, be certain to be taken to the locations as prommised and given a good dive using up air to safe limits.
I repeat my question, why are Pattaya shops unwilling to do this?
 
What is the local going rate for a day trip to the outer islands? 2 dives?

Does anyone think there is a difference between that and a Thai operator offering locals pricing at 1200-1500bt?

Same sites, same air, good leaders decent food and reliable boats.
 
I hear some Thai operators who of course don't have to have the work permit, don't have to employ 4 Thais for each work permit, probably got a local TAT licence (if at all) and not the 100,000 baht one I needed to open my shop, gives away DM courses for free to get his staff, even runs divers down to Phi Phi on the longtail. Yep, they can do it cheap. Same air?, you won't find me using that compressor and I won't pump their ancient out of check tanks on mine. Obviously these are different to the ones you mention.
 
Well said Katdiver!

I wouldn't wanna use that Thai air ever again, sorry! Tried it once in PTY and had to clean my first stage, everything was brown and sludgy. Yuk. Just two days diving, 4 tanks!
 
This is interesting, kinda takes a page from GWB's book. I routinely see the same truck unloading tanks on both Thai run and western run boats.

"Hope over fear." 555
 
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