Spectre
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Dahh!! Yea.. good point!
Question about a crotch strap
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Dahh!! Yea.. good point!
Really?
I do like the idea of a soft belt for a crotch strap (the car seat belt material is polyester so it won't rot)
But unless you scooter , do you need a crotch strap. I don't. I've been wearing a backplate and wing for 3 years and never found I needed a crotch strap.
I will qualify, I am old school, I was taught in the days of horse collars, and I wear a 25 lb weight belt. I am also of the ahem, HUSKY persuation, so my backplate doesn't ride up.
Mike D
I do like the idea of a soft belt for a crotch strap (the car seat belt material is polyester so it won't rot)
But unless you scooter , do you need a crotch strap. I don't. I've been wearing a backplate and wing for 3 years and never found I needed a crotch strap.
I will qualify, I am old school, I was taught in the days of horse collars, and I wear a 25 lb weight belt. I am also of the ahem, HUSKY persuation, so my backplate doesn't ride up.
Mike D
Call AUL back and ask them for 5ft of their soft 2" webbing. AUL sells both hard and soft. Cost $2.50 for the webbing and whats a D-ring go for $1.50, buy 2 one for the butt. So $5.50 + $5.00 shipping. You now have a crotch strap that matches Halcyon's $35 one. $35 is this really what you paid. Wow:wacko: Local boat supplie house would cost you about $5.
SeaJay
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I'll bet you that it ain't the same stuff.
IMHO you can not make the equivalent of a Halcyon crotch strap for $35 if your time has much value at all. Sure you can buy all of the parts for less but then it has to be assembled including sewing that takes a pretty beefy sewing machine. So I think the issues are do you enjoy fabricating your own equipment, are you good enough to trust what you make, and how much is your time worth.
If the parts are $10.50 ($5.50 + $5.00 shipping) and I pay the guy at the shoe repair place in the mall $5 to sew it, the cost is $15.50 but took several hours to construct, go to the mall, excreta. Twenty dollars was saved at a cost of two hours or $10/hour. My time is worth more than that, I bought mine.
Mike
If the parts are $10.50 ($5.50 + $5.00 shipping) and I pay the guy at the shoe repair place in the mall $5 to sew it, the cost is $15.50 but took several hours to construct, go to the mall, excreta. Twenty dollars was saved at a cost of two hours or $10/hour. My time is worth more than that, I bought mine.
Mike
SeaJay
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I agree, Mike... And even then, you still wouldn't have a Halcyon crotchstrap, and you might have messed up one of the measurements... Not to mention that since you waited to get the strap sewn, you saw a $400 watch that you had to buy...
You know how it goes.
I could see the price justification if we were talking about a hundred dollars' difference here... But the whole strap is like $35... Sure, it's a bit pricey, but what are you going to save by doing it yourself... $20?
And I will still argue that the Halcyon material isn't so readily available...
If it was, then FredT would be selling the hell out of it.
You know how it goes.
I could see the price justification if we were talking about a hundred dollars' difference here... But the whole strap is like $35... Sure, it's a bit pricey, but what are you going to save by doing it yourself... $20?
And I will still argue that the Halcyon material isn't so readily available...
If it was, then FredT would be selling the hell out of it.
That's right, SeaJay! This strap material is specially woven for EE by Galadriel, Lady of Lorien and the other Elves, and the D-Rings are crafted by the Elven-smiths of Elendil, out of mithril, mined by the Dwarfs in the caves of Moria. And the "One D-Ring" was forged by the Dark Lord, Sauron, in the Dark Tower of Mordor and filled with His power. And it is this "One D-Ring" that rules all other DIR D-Rings and those under the spell of DIR.
"One D-Ring to rule them all, One D-ring to find them,
One D-Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
(With appologies to J.R.R.Tolkien)
Lets get real guys! There is nothing special about the webbing, or the d-rings, or the stitching or the bicycle innertube.
I fully agree with Mike S that considering the value of your time it doesn't pay to launch out and make one of these yourself. The caveat there would be unless you like to tinker with stuff yourself like I do, in which case you probably have at least a half dozen spare D-rings and various types of webbing to include this type which I found in a sewing and notions shop while standing around bored, waiting for my wife.
I made the the crotch-strap for my SS diverite BP according to the instructions from the Dark Lord Sauron (GI) in Mordor. Even though I have 2 Halcyon BP (which come with the H crotch strap) I was diving my diverite BP last weekend. The crotch strap works just fine and infact it is possible that Sauron might tell you you're an Orc (stroke) for using a sewn crotch strap instead of a bolted one like he uses/used.
http://www.wkpp.org/images/pina_equip/backplate_top_r.jpg
Gandalf the Grey (Dave D)
Doof
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I nabbed the whole Halcyon rig, so I got the crotchstrap included.
With that said, if I were looking to buy a new crotchstrap, $35 would be worth it to me to get one with that kind of webbing and have it all built for me.
Like SeaJay said... I've spent more than that on dinner. Hell, I used to blow a couple of hundred dollars in a weekend and not have anything to show for it but an overly full stomach.
Glad those days are over.
With that said, if I were looking to buy a new crotchstrap, $35 would be worth it to me to get one with that kind of webbing and have it all built for me.
Like SeaJay said... I've spent more than that on dinner. Hell, I used to blow a couple of hundred dollars in a weekend and not have anything to show for it but an overly full stomach.
Glad those days are over.
Doof
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Why would a bolted crotchstrap be prefferable to a sewn strap?
And no, "because George says so" isn't a good enough answer. I agree with most of what DIR teaches because the reasoning behind it is sound. I never just blindly follow anybody's rules just because they say so.
And no, "because George says so" isn't a good enough answer. I agree with most of what DIR teaches because the reasoning behind it is sound. I never just blindly follow anybody's rules just because they say so.
Ah! Its starting to make sense now. Theyre so expensive because the prospect of the war in Iraq has led to the hording of mithril and wild speculation in the futures market!
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