Quebec's New Diving Laws?

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I'm not a DM or AI or Instructor, but I am learning deco procedures and Nitrox/Trimix diving to dive deeper that 130 ft to go climb into wrecks.


So I am not Class A (restricted to 60/Daylight/Open water) or B (100 ft/ day&night/ open water) or C(DM/AI/I, 130ft, open water)... so what is the cert for overhead environment, deco diving , past 130 ft, and deco? Or is that just plain illegal?

Hey Wreckwriter, anytime if you want a buddy for the Empress. (Well, anytime after I finish my certs and get some experience...)
 
Being from British Columbia I suspect the new Quebec Diving laws revolves around language laws which means you have to speak French while diving
 
Hey .. well .. im nothing big in the world of scuba . but my dad is a dive Master and Instrucor . and he is teaching courses in Quebec, he has never heard of this untill a few days ago and he told me to research a bit on it.. and i just want to comletely understand thing whole situation to let him know .. so the people in Quebec need to go to the "Fédération quebequoise des Activités Scubaquatique" and get a certification.. How do they get this certification ? Is it possible for he Instructor to give these to the students?
and Do the instructors NEED to get this to teach in Quebec .. well if anyone would just let me know about my questions .. that would be great... French or English ..

well thanks alot to whom ever replies to this .. you can reach me at maxinegratton@sympatico.ca or devils_daughter6969@hotmail.com Thank you all very much

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I Love Scuba Diving :jaws:
 
DivingGal:
To PADI's Québec Members

A legislative framework to regulate recreational diving in Québec, first conceived some five years ago, has now come into effect.

The new rules state that, beginning April 1, 2002, in addition to whatever certifications they may hold from recognized dive training agencies, all recreational divers in Québec, including technical divers, must obtain a certificate issued under the authority of the Fédération québécoise des activités subaquatiques (FQAS) certifying the level for which they are qualified to dive. In addition, they will be prohibited from making dives beyond that level. Similarly, anyone providing dive instruction in Québec must obtain a certificate issued under the authority of the FQAS certifying the level for which they are qualified to give instruction and they will be prohibited from giving instruction at a higher level. These basic legal restrictions, found in the Québec Act Respecting Safety in Sports, (Loi sur la sécurité dans les sports) will be implemented through the government-approved By-law respecting qualifications for recreational underwater diving (Règlement sur la qualification en plongée subaquatique récréative), which also became effective on April 1, 2002. The new rules also apply, although with some differences, to divers and instructors qualified outside Québec who wish to carry on their dive activities in Québec.

Before these rules were finalized, PADI became actively involved in sustained, direct efforts to persuade the Québec government that the objective of safety in recreational diving, which PADI has embraced since its beginnings, could best be promoted by relying as much as possible on existing structures and certification procedures of PADI and other reputable, internationally recognized training agencies, which have been validated by decades of experience. In a formal brief submitted to the government two years ago, PADI thoroughly reviewed the issues and made a number of specific recommendations both on administrative and substantive levels regarding the then-proposed new rules. Before the final adoption of the By-law, PADI presented what it considered to be convincing arguments to the government's representatives and believed that the government was favourably disposed to many of PADI's views. In the result, PADI regrets that the Québec government did not accept its views to a greater extent.

The new rules are the culmination of a process that began more than five years ago with recommendations made by Québec coroner Denis Boudrias in a series of reports on dive fatalities in Quebec. In 1997, provisions relating to recreational dive safety were added to the Act Respecting Safety in Sports (Loi sur la sécurité dans les sports). The effect of the new provisions was suspended, however, until a government-approved by-law could be adopted which would provide for the determination of levels of qualification for divers and instructors, the content of qualifying examinations and the issuance of certificates resulting from such examinations. All of these matters were to be the responsibility of a government-designated non-profit organization established for the purpose of ensuring the safety of divers. In 1999, the Québec government designated the FQAS to be the organization responsible for implementing this new system of regulation. Subsequently, in March 2000, after consultations between the government and the FQAS, a draft by-law was published for comment by interested parties.

At that time, PADI hired well-known Montreal law firm Heenan Blaikie and its counsel, former Québec prime minister and justice minister, Pierre Marc Johnson, to assist PADI in preparing a brief to the Québec government commenting on the draft by-law. PADI invested considerable time and effort in preparing its comments and made a substantial number of recommendations in its brief regarding changes to the draft by-law. A complete copy of PADI's brief may be found on the PADI member Web site. Following the submission of PADI's brief in May 2000, PADI and its representatives were able to speak with all the key Québec government representatives involved in the file, including the ministers responsible for the legislation. Although the government did not accept all of the recommendations made by PADI, the final changes to the By-law did give effect to some of the points raised by PADI.

At this time, the government has assured PADI that the implementation of the new rules will be followed closely and that the government will be open to making readjustments dictated by experience. Accordingly, we would strongly urge our members to relay to PADI any information they may have regarding their experience with the new rules so that we may be in the best position to make further comments to the Québec government at the appropriate time.

At present, PADI does not have information regarding details of the procedures which the FQAS intends to follow to implement the new rules. PADI, accordingly, refers its members to the FQAS for further information in this connection. The FQAS can be reached at 4545, ave Pierre-De Coubertin, C.P. 1000, Succursale M, Montréal, Québec; Telephone: (514) 252-3009; Fax: (514) 254-1363; e-mail (courriel): plongee@fqas.qc.ca; Internet: http://www.fqas.qc.ca.

This also ties in with the attempt to ban diving on the Empress of Ireland. Several years ago Quebec made the Empress a protected heritage site and banned diving for a short period of time. They later toned down the restrictions and you are now allowed to dive it as long as you don't remove artifacts or penetrate the wreck (which everyone still does). Now to dive in Quebec, you are suposed to be recertified to your already certifited level by a local instructor and dive only in locations that meet the restrictions of that level. Simple fact is that for all of the fatalities on the Empress, the bodies were recovered from inside and the divers didn't have the Quebec Certification.

The police, realizing that they have absolutly no control over what divers do when they enter the water, requested that the cornor recomend banning diving on the Empress at the inquest for the last fatality. It makes it easier for them to enforce the law. If your caught diving, you can be charged. They don't have to prove that you penetrated the wreck or not.
 
What are the plans established to enforce these regulations? Will a dive policeman be put aboard every dive boat and/or accompany every buddy pair when they elect to do a shore dive in some remote lake?
 
njdiver1:
Downloaded it earlier this year, can't remember the source. Some of the schedules would not tranlate well to this forum. I have it complete as a Word.doc. New law in France:

I am the person who translated the French law into English, because I thought that it would be of interest to the diving community. France is one of the very few countries where diving is regulated by law, since 1991.

While I agree that regulation has many downsides, and I can sympathise with the feeling that any regulation is an infringment on freedom, there are also some positive aspects:

1) Dive shops are most directly affected, and mostly in a positive way. If they follow the regulations and do not show gross neglect, they are essentially immune from frivolous law suits. In particular, if a diver comes to grief through his/her own stupidity, and the dive shop can show due diligence, they are off the hook. OTOH, they are responsible for making sure that the divers know the rules, and for planning dives within those rules.

2) The law encourages divers to continue their training to the level where they are considered "autonomous", i.e. they are considered able to dive safely without any supervision. The skills required for this level correspond roughly to PADI Rescue plus full training in deco diving on air. BTW, this also generates business for dive instructors.

Of course, no law will stop the naturally reckless or stupid. I have never seen "dive police" in France, but the cops will occasionally check dive profiles and cert cards when they see divers come out of the water. More to the point, they do keep an eye on dive operators, and will take away the licenses of those found repeatedly breaking the law.

As a final word, PADI certified divers can dive in France, but a Rescue C-card is considered equivalent to a FFESSM/CMAS level 2, and thus a PADI Rescue diver still has to have been briefed by an instructor on site before hitting the water, and cannot exceed a depth of 25 m.

Please do not flame me about the law - I only translated it!

Victor J.
 
Well from the point of view of an instructor in montreal yes the lwas have been passed.And the spirit of the law is to require that once you get your ow card (from any agency) you have to continue diving in order for you card to not expire. They were aiming for 10 dives in 3 years I think. The only problem right now is that absolutely no one has been mandated to carry out inspection or issue permits. And here lies the real problems local LDS absolutely do not want to issue theese permits ands the other thing is if i write i made ten dives in my logbook with my freind around the the table in the bar one night there ais absolutely no way to verify this the other problem is if the permits cost something who takes care of all the beuracracy ?? Is the government going to force diving school to turn over the roster of our students (I dont think anyschool will do that)
So for now we have a law absolutley not enforced with nobody in the forceable future who will enforce it ? So basically we have a useless law that probably cost the taxpayers alot of money for absolutely nothing.

Now if you want to start me about the FQUAS now thats another story but basically they dont do much for us except get students FQUAs certified who then complain that around the world people are asking what agency that doesnt exist, you are going to have to do a checkout or a recert.....
 
jroy017:
Is the government going to force diving school to turn over the roster of our students (I dont think anyschool will do that)

Every dive shop in the USA already did that. In response to a perceived terrorist threat, the FBI got rosters of all certified divers from all the agencies, and then went around and got lists from all the instructors of anyone who started but didn't complete training. Big Brother is already watching you.
 
dweeb:
Every dive shop in the USA already did that. In response to a perceived terrorist threat, the FBI got rosters of all certified divers from all the agencies, and then went around and got lists from all the instructors of anyone who started but didn't complete training. Big Brother is already watching you.

Yest but it wasn't too bad. The FBI agent that came around the get the list spent a little money while he was hanging around. LOL That's one way to get em in the door.
 
Yeah if the RCMP (=FBI in canada ) wants some lists i'm sure there might be a few skeptics but most of us would comply my hesitation is giving the lists to FQAS wich is run by diving instructors from quebec. In other words i'm giving my competitor my client database even though he should only be using it within FQAS circumstances but we all know how rarely client databases stay really private.
 

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