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YD, I'd call some of the online places & talk with them---ie Divers Direct, Scubatoys, Leisure Pro etc....They sell stuff everyday that's not SP & the divers that buy from them 'survive', lol...My personal opinion would be to look into some good used equipment, nothing wrong with buying good 2nds....
 
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I agree with the rest but let me add a little regarding performance of regs. Pretty much any reg of any brand that is a comparable model - a low end vs. a low end or top of the line vs. top of the line will be so close that only a machine can tell the difference. You will often hear brand X breaths terrible and brand Y is great but if you pull the covers off the regs you will find they are the same under the logos. Most divers have no clue of how their reg works or how they are designed. One thing that makes a huge difference in how a reg performs is when and how the reg was last serviced. A top of the line reg serviced by a less than great tech can be horrible to use and a low end reg tuned with care by a good tech can work great. My point here is do not judge a reg or brand for that matter by one rental or use. Most rental regs are not treated as well as they should and my guess is they are tuned a little on the hard side to make them less prone to free flow.
The one trap that new …..and frankly experienced but non-reg savvy divers fall into is believing that some how the top of the line regs are vastly superior to the mid level regs. In reality, most of them are internally the same reg with some pretty bling on the outside and one or more somewhat to useless “features” added as sales gimmicks. Bottom line is, any mid range reg from any of the major brands when serviced by a good tech will perform as well as any other mid to top end reg available today.
 
I owned a Scuba Pro Mk2 first stage for years with R295 second stages, its there entry level Regulator, I loved it. It did everything I needed it to do. You don't have to spend a fortune on top end Regs. I would even recommend buying second hand just factor in the cost of a rebuild and make sure its still supported by the manufacturer. Scuba Pro seem to be really good at supporting there products. But then again the other manufacturers seem just as good. Gear choice is really down to personal preference.
 
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SCUBA Pro is great gear. Most dive shops use SCUBA Pro as their rental gear because it is reliable and tough. It can handle people not treating it like their own gear and still work with minimal maintenance.

Only shops who are authorized ScubaPro dealers use ScubaPro as their rental gear ... and not all of them do, because rental gear spends a great deal of time in the pool and that tends to make it not last very long regardless of whose gear it is.

Many shops push SP gear simply because it generally takes a large initial order to become an authorized SP dealer ... and once purchased, the vendor needs to move that equipment in order to pay the bills. Some shops only carry one brand of gear because that's all they can afford to carry. If you're only going to carry one brand, SP is a logical choice because it's well-known, quality equipment ... and brand recognition is one of the major factors in people choosing what to purchase.

To answer the OP's question about other equipment ... I don't know of a single brand that I would consider less than reliable. Different vendors offer different features, different levels of customer service, and different materials. Very few equipment manufacturers make their own gear anymore ... most comes out of factories in places like China, India, Indonesia, and other parts of the world where labor is cheap. Many brands will offer similar products, because those products are all made in the same factory and "branded" with a particular equipment vendor's logo. Some are exactly the same, while others may have slight differences due to specifications from the equipment "manufacturer".

Case in point ... Apeks, Dive Rite, Hog, and some smaller vendors all make a particular regulator that looks and functions EXACTLY the same. In some cases the repair kits for those regulators is EXACTLY the same. In other cases, there are some slight differences in some of the internal parts ... just enough to make them incompatible.

Most brass & glass SPG's come from the same Italian factory ... they just put different vendor's names on them.

One well-known vendor has made a fortune "cloning" other people's good ideas, and contracting Chinese vendors to make knock-offs. Frankly, their products aren't any less quality than the folks they "borrowed" the idea from ... they just saved the cost of R&D and field testing prior to putting the product into production.

For the occasional diver, just about any equipment out there will be reliable enough ... failures are rare, and you'll more than likely be replacing that gear because you found something else you like better long before it wears out. So for most, the "smart" purchase is the one that costs less.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
..............For the occasional diver, just about any equipment out there will be reliable enough ... failures are rare, and you'll more than likely be replacing that gear because you found something else you like better long before it wears out. So for most, the "smart" purchase is the one that costs less.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Yet again, dead-on.

...........BUT ULTIMATELY, from what I'm reading from responses, it comes down to fit and personal preferences. A Oceanic BCD with a Sherwood Reg, Aeris Mask/Fins and Tusa computer (brands selected at random) could potentially be just as great as buying the full Scuba Pro package, depending on personal factors. Right?

Right. (I dive an OMS backplate with a DiveRite wing whose inflator I replaced with the ScubaPro part.)

+1 with all the other responders for fit and personal preferences.

Borrow and try before you buy.
 
One well-known vendor has made a fortune "cloning" other people's good ideas, and contracting Chinese vendors to make knock-offs. Frankly, their products aren't any less quality than the folks they "borrowed" the idea from ... they just saved the cost of R&D and field testing prior to putting the product into production.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

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Would you care to divulge the name of this vendor? I trust you when you say their products are just as reliable as other vendors. However, I wouldn't purchase their gear in the future on general principle. I've seen this stuff happen in my industry (plastics), and it has a tremendously negative effect on companies that have their products "cloned".

<Sorry for the :hijack:>
 
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Would you care to divulge the name of this vendor? I trust you when you say their products are just as reliable as other vendors. However, I wouldn't purchase their gear in the future on general principle. I've seen this stuff happen in my industry (plastics), and it has a tremendously negative effect on companies that have their products "cloned".

<Sorry for the :hijack:>

I'm not naming names ... I think most folks in the business know anyway ... but if you do some comparison shopping it'll become obviousl

Thing is, once you find out, you're gonna probably say "Dang ... I LIKE their stuff".

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Abidon, regardless of the brand name.... most of the "manufacturers" use the same OEM's to make their cast parts.

some manufacturers even use the same models/castings and just brand them with their own name/logo.

so they are easily "cloned" by others.....


this is pretty common knowledge.
 
thanks for all the insite, as i'm hoping to buy some of my gear if not all of it in the next couple of years this is a really helpful thread
 
yelldawg, I do think Scubapro is a good way for you to go but there is a far cheaper way to get there. Scubapro still makes parts for every regulator they ever made and in fact they use the same parts from some of the old models in the newer models just with different part numbers. For example the R109 chrome plated brass regulator has the same basic parts as the G250 plastic regulator. Same holds true for the mark 5 first stage, it is the basis for most of the first stages they made after that. You can find cheap R108HPs, R109s and Mark 5s on Ebay and any Scubapro shop should be able to restore them to like new condition if they are in reasonable condition to start with. This should cost you little more then a standard overhaul would. If you do end up looking for an R108 make sure it is an HP not the standard model as that one was made for Scubapro not by them.
 

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