PSI "rules"

[Peter69_56]

Drilling a hole in a cylinder is a stupid way of rendering the cylinder unserviceable. In OZ you have to do more than this, saw the neck off or cut down the neck so it is impossible to repair. The standards say "with the permission of the owner" cut into pieces or crush. If the owner does not consent then "FAILED" shall be stamped on the neck.

I discussed this issue with a filler one day and he said he saw a cylinder come in for a fill with tape around it. He thought it was strange and then recognised the cylinder as being one he had failed just recently. Removing the tape he found the owner had threaded the hole (that had been drilled to make it unserviceable), and put a bolt in it, then taped over it. A bomb waiting to happen.

 

[scubafanatic]

If a shop fails a cylinder VIP (annual inspection) and does something to render the cylinder unusable without your permission they owe you a new cylinder. To get them to give you that new cylinder may be a simple as talking to the owner or as much of a PITA as going to small claims court. Either way you will need to show that the cylinder should have failed via a second or third opinion.

...guess I'll have to spell it out....if example, if one owns, let's say, hot-dipped, galvanized steel tanks, which are no longer in production or in stock, how does the LDS replace these tanks ?

 

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...guess I'll have to spell it out....if example, if one owns, let's say, hot-dipped, galvanized steel tanks, which are no longer in production or in stock, how does the LDS replace these tanks ?

If you and the shop can not come to a reasonable understanding, I guess the court will. You would probably be making a mistake trying to insist they must have then production line reopened.

 

[MB]

I once had a tank "fail" at a hydro at a hydro facility. They got upset when I asked about the procedure and how it failed. I ended up walking out with my tank in the same condition as when I brought it. They did not condemn it in any way. I took it to another hydro facility. It passed with flying colors and I'm still using that tank today.

Wait - you mean I've been diving with a guy carrying a bomb strapped to his back. Holy Crap! And of course you went and asked all those questions! Everybody knows that dive professionals (including cylinder guys) never make mistakes! And 7 out of 10 times they actually conduct the inspections that they charge you for!!!

 

[Scared Silly]

...guess I'll have to spell it out....if example, if one owns, let's say, hot-dipped, galvanized steel tanks, which are no longer in production or in stock, how does the LDS replace these tanks ?

...guess I'll have to spell it out… the same way one replaces any other product that is no longer in production.

 

[spectrum]

...guess I'll have to spell it out....if example, if one owns, let's say, hot-dipped, galvanized steel tanks, which are no longer in production or in stock, how does the LDS replace these tanks ?

Negotiate something.... Yours weren't new at the time so there are comparable used cylinders out there though some hunting may be needed. In the name of expediency it may mean paying you cash so you can watch the market. Settling for a current product can also be an option.

This often happens with hot dipped galvanized cylinders (as you mentioned) due to failing to execute the rounding procedure. Some will attach a copy of the procedure as a reminder.

 

[Kharon]

Thanks to everyone. Just what I needed. I sent an email to the guy. Hope he reconsiders. However, I won't be using that shop again. He's just too much of a Richard.

 

[Zieg]

Wait - you mean I've been diving with a guy carrying a bomb strapped to his back. Holy Crap! And of course you went and asked all those questions! Everybody knows that dive professionals (including cylinder guys) never make mistakes! And 7 out of 10 times they actually conduct the inspections that they charge you for!!!

That's right. As you can see, the "dive professionals" who are supposed to protect me from myself have again let me down. AND more important, they let YOU down. You're lucky to be alive.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

Just bypass the LDS altogether and go straight to a hydro facility direct. Why pay a markup for a service that is available to anyone for the hydro "wholesale" price.

Oh, the stories I've heard.
When E series tanks first came out and after 5 years when hydros were up some of them were failing hydro. These were brand new tanks, I found that hard to believe. Turns out they were fine, somethig to do with the wrong ree number.

A notorious shop (no names) had a guy working there with an appetite for anything he could get for free. Tanks would come in for hydro and some how many of the ones he wanted would fail hydro. When customers wanted their tanks back they were gone, destroyed, we don't have it here, it's gone. BTW, that shop and employee are long gone so no worries.

 

[Bob DBF]

Just bypass the LDS altogether and go straight to a hydro facility direct. Why pay a markup for a service that is available to anyone for the hydro "wholesale" price.

The owner of my first LDS out here, decades ago in Ft Bragg, said it would take two or three weeks or so for him to get tanks hydroed. Then he gave me the name and address of the facility and told me to take them down myself if I needed them faster. Doubt any LDS would do that now.



Bob