Prozac And Scuba

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Hello,

Just thought i'd pipe in here and say one key factor was overlooked. DocVikingo briefly hit on the underlying cause not the drug but no one brought up that scuba diving experience, if done correctly, can be a very positive experience and uplifting one; all in all it helps the underlying condition. I personaly feel we get to caught up in the wrong areas and overlook what's best for the patient.

Ed

I see your point ed. However, as a diving pro as apposed to a medical pro I don't know much about the medical problems that would be treated with prozac or any other drug. If diving is good for the student that's great but I'm not qualified to make that call. As much fault as I can find with the training standards at times they make it easy for me in a case like this. I simply refer to a doctor for medical know-how. Keep in mind that even if an MD says yes I can still say no but not the other way around.

As DocVikingo suggested DAN could have been consulted. They may even have been ablt to recommend a MD with knowledge of diving in the area.
 
Good point. While I am not aware of any research on the topic, there is both theoretical basis for and anecdotal report of the psychotherapeutic effects of scuba.

This notwithstanding, the primary dictum of medicine is, "First, do no harm." I do not believe that training an individual taking unknown amounts of Prozac for an unknown disorder who has not been cleared by a doctor is consistent with that rule.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
Dr. Vikingo's published article on this subject in DAN's Alert Diver sheds light on the entire topic of emotional conditions in America and prescription medications to treat them, and the relationship of scuba diving to these situations. I read it several times, so that I may now become more versed on the subject.

Personally, I am still not sure that I would trust a non-diving physician or non-diving psychiatrist to make the call. But I do agree that it would have been helpful had the course director and I contacted DAN directly for more guidance in advance.

I now believe that the right answer is to query the student as to the exact drug name and exact drug dosage, and then to contact DAN directly for advice. I still believe it to be an instructor call, but I will admit to insufficient evidence, with the benefit of hindsight being 20-20.

Dr. Vikingo's DAN article puts a lot of emphasis on dosage levels.

There is also the possibility that a patient who desires to enter scuba diving needs to consider changing physicians and psychiatrists to a new doctor who is well versed in diving science, normally a diving doctor. I'll toss that out, as food for thought.

I am somewhat amazed that our instructor association did not focus on this growing area of emotional conditions and prescription medications. It does focus really hard on such other contra-indications to diving such as asthma, diabetes, emphysema, epilepsy, chronic heart disease, and a host of other conditions on a two page instructor questionnaire.

I plan to follow up with the student in question, and refer him back to his psychiatrist, for a more formal consultation between the two of them, regarding the dosage considerations, and timing of the dosages. The issue now, of course, is his continued diving, and the possibility of dosage changes, and the daily timing of those dosages.

Dr. Vikingo, to answer your point, as to whether I was comfortable with the way we handled this originally, please understand, if I had been totally comfortable with it, it probably would not have been nagging at me these past months, and I probably would not have thought to ask about it, at my first opportunity, for which I give great credit to this scuba board and the access we have to great experts like yourself.

Everyone makes mistakes. Looks like our Course Director may have made a big one. Looks like I should have questioned his judgment as well, and I did not, and that was my own mistake.

I need to go back and clean up this mistake now, diplomatically, and I will not make this particular mistake again. However, being human, I reserve the right to make other mistakes in the future. :)

I did in fact learn that scuba diving successfully is great therapy for a person who otherwise has an emotional condition. But there is a procedure that we instructors should have followed, that we overlooked.

I do not particularly agree with MikeF's view of the legal world, that you refer all your thinking decisions to a medical expert, and let them carry the ball. However, I do respect Mike's expertise as an IANTD tech instructor, and his right to any view of the world that works for him. And I'm not saying he is wrong in his views.

I will confess that there is also a trap for techical divers who teach ordinary recreational diving, in thinking that NDL rec diving is easy to teach and to learn, and that even in the worst conceivable circumstances, a one-on-one relationship with a student and an instructor can overcome any problem in the water. Dr. Vikingo's DAN article dispels this notion, now, for me. Particularly the part about dosage-related underwater siezures. That sounds like the PO2 issues of Ox-tox, and technical divers can certainly relate to that.
 
Having been "that" student on anti depressants (I've been off the meds and "well" now for just under a year) I would say that it would have put me more at ease if I had seen a doctor first in this situation.
If my doctor had said not to dive then I would have been upset yes, but I would not have been dead!!!
Lots of these medications slow reactions, and in a high stress situation under water, this is not a good thing.
If my doctor cleared me to dive I would have been in a much carmer and more possitive mind frame. Feeling secure that I was safe to dive.
If seeing a doctor would have put too much stress on a student then there is no way that they could cope with a problem underwater.
And by passing a possibly unsafe student for open water diving is not only putting them, but their un-informed buddy, at risk.
Im not saying that people on medication should not dive, but that they should be cleared to dive by their doctor.
Sarahboo
 
I take a low dosage of an SSRI. I have never seen a psychiarist. It was prescribed by an internal medicine specialist in association with my counselor. The fact of the matter is while the doctor is NOT a diver, he was a military doctor in VA. He performed dive related medicine quite a bit. Also, my tech diving instructor is an ER Doctor.

My point: just because a doctor doesn't dive doesn't make him/her incompetent to clear someone on SSRI's to dive. Just because a doctor is not a psychiarist doesn't make him less than knowledgable about these types of medications. I will bet many of these prescriptions are written by doctors who are not pschiarists.

If you are on these, get clearance from a doctor. The student may be under the impression that he has limits that may not actually exist rightfully or maybe he shouldn't be diving. Who knows which unless he has been medically cleared?

Sarah, good to hear that you are doing well!
 
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