Positively buoyant Jet Fins?

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I've tried to put an illustration together to highlight what I'm experiencing.

A divers trim can be broken into three sections: 1) Upper body to Hips, 2) Hips to knees, 3) Knees to feet. It is split into 3 sections because each section is separated by a rotating joint.

The first diver is neutrally buoyant in each of the three sections. 1) Upper body due to BCD and trim weights, 2) Hips to knees due to wetsuit and body composition, 3) knees to feet due to wetsuit, fins, and body composition. This diver can maintain any position they like underwater with no continuous effort required.

The second diver is neutrally buoyant in the upper body only, and negatively buoyant everywhere else. This diver will ALWAYS experience a downward moment of inertia around the hips and knees. The only way for this diver to maintain correct trim (without kicking) is to lock the hip and knee joints to prevent rotation AND to add weight in the front of their body to counterbalance the negative weight from their lower body preventing a "seahorse" position. This can be done, but it is tiring.

Alternatively, you can make the knee to feet section positively buoyant with fins/boots/etc., such that it counterbalances the negative buoyancy of the hip to knee section and makes the lower body neutral overall.

My wife and daughter are like the upper diver, naturally neutral in the water. I am like the second diver.

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Have you checked Speed Marine at Salwa road (if you're in Doha) last time i went, they had some although their collection isn't huge, it's worth a try!
 
I know of an instructor in Dubai who teaches UTD courses and stocks UTD equipment. I bought a set of UTD positively buoyant fins and I really like them (30+ dives).

Maybe the shipping from Dubai is less expensive or you might visit her if you visit Dubai.

PM me for contact details.

Greg
 
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I've tried to put an illustration together to highlight what I'm experiencing.

A divers trim can be broken into three sections: 1) Upper body to Hips, 2) Hips to knees, 3) Knees to feet. It is split into 3 sections because each section is separated by a rotating joint.

The first diver is neutrally buoyant in each of the three sections. 1) Upper body due to BCD and trim weights, 2) Hips to knees due to wetsuit and body composition, 3) knees to feet due to wetsuit, fins, and body composition. This diver can maintain any position they like underwater with no continuous effort required.

I know this is an old thread, I wonder if the OP ever got his trim straightened out. Basically, if you have to carry 10 lbs without a wetsuit, that's a lot of weight, and the only reason I can think of someone actually needing that much lead would be a vey positively buoyant BC. More likely, you're overweighted. You really have to get that worked out first. Somewhere in this thread you mentioned trying a BP/W; that will certainly help if part of your problem is a positive BC. You also mentioned concern about ditchable weights. In warm water with no wetsuit you should only need a small amount of weight to begin with, mostly to offset the buoyancy of the empty AL80. This would put you at most 5 lbs negative at the beginning of a dive (the weight of the gas in the tank) and that should be no problem at all to swim to the surface. Don't wear extra weight just so you can ditch it. If your BC is positive and you're using an AL80, wearing weight on your hips will make your legs drop.

It is true that fins affect trim, especially when your legs are extended. So hopefully you found some neutral or slightly positive fins and got comfortable in the water.
 
Just got back from a bit of a dive in Julian Rocks Australia :) The weather was a bit crap so viz was only about 7-8 meters and the water was a little chilly at 19C but it was a great trip with a few Sand Tiger sharks (or grey nurse sharks as the Aussie's call them), loggerhead turtles, huge cod, leapord sharks, rays, etc.

An update to the trim situation, I ordered some Hollis F2 fins based on a number of reviews here and based on some Amazon reviews which stated they were neutrally buoyant in fresh water. Unfortuantely, they are not :) They are in fact slightly negative in salt water, so that didn't work out well.

I went through my Peak Performance Buoyancy and found that my neutral weight with 3mm wetsuit, gloves, 5mm boots, Hollis F2 fins, Mares integrated BCD, and full AL80 tank is 9 lbs. So I dive with 14 lbs to account for the gas when empty.

I also borrowed a pair of Scuba Pro Twin Jet Split Fins which are positively buoyant and that nearly fixed my trim. I only have to fight a little bit to keep my feet up, much better than before.

I'm up to about 25 dives now and the last 5 have been with the Jet Split Fins, or rental fins while in Australia which were also slightly positive buoyant, and those last 5 have been the best trim that I've had so far.

I think it's just a matter of my legs being negative and needing a bit of a prop-up. Just like a lot of ladies have positively buoyant legs/feet, I have the opposite problem :)

I'm still on the lookout for some positively buoyant jet fins and may check out the UTD dealer next time I'm in Dubai, as those fins are listed by the manufacturer as being neutral in fresh water, so I'm a bit more confident that they'll be positive in salt water.
 
I'm expecting a pair of the Deep 6 Eddy fins soon, they are genuinely positive in salt. You are welcome to come try them and the UTD fins when you are in the UAE again!
 
I went through my Peak Performance Buoyancy and found that my neutral weight with 3mm wetsuit, gloves, 5mm boots, Hollis F2 fins, Mares integrated BCD, and full AL80 tank is 9 lbs. So I dive with 14 lbs to account for the gas when empty.

Not to pick on your weighting strategy too much, but neutral at what depth? I would definitely do a weight check at your safety stop sometime. Maybe once you've completed your stop, purge some air out of your tank to bring you down to 300PSI or so, then see if you sink with no air in your BC. If so, try removing a couple of pounds. IMO the ideal weight is neutral at 10 ft with a few hundred PSI. This puts you a bit positive on the surface.

Good luck on your quest for the perfect fin! Most of us are still on that quest too.
 
I don't care how old this thread is. People need to know.

The neutrally buoyant UTD fins are great. Good power, back kick capable. Helps me with my already leg heavy problem.

Fits in my carry on!
 
I don't care how old this thread is. People need to know.

The neutrally buoyant UTD fins are great. Good power, back kick capable. Helps me with my already leg heavy problem.

Fits in my carry on!
I love them too, just ordered a set of @Deep Six Eddy fins which will probably end up replacing them for me. Similar blade design, positive in SW (no more lost fins) and, by all accounts, an amazing foot pocket design. Also doesn't hurt that they are available in colors other than DIR-black....
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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