Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[KOMPRESSOR]

If I was king instead of GW, I would make laws to punish owners for out of control animals, rather than just kill the dog and slap the owner on the wrist with a fine. And the ASPCA would have more funding than the DEA.

I would be VERY surprised if you guys don't have such laws already. A "hill billy" woman over here got 4 years in jail for keeping her dogs in a way that made them agressive, and for not having them under control. Not enough if you ask me, but compared to other crimes the penalty is about where it should be. Mind you, her escaped pack of dogs killed a 7 year old boy on the way home from school...

The dogs where not pit bulls. They were huskies. But that's beside the point in the matter.

To own an illegal pit bull over here is considered more or less as owning an illegal handgun, at least if "something happens"... The dog will be put down no matter what or what not, if it's considered a "pit bull like" dog with no papers to prove otherwhise. The owner will get a stiff fine, unless the dog harmed someone. Then it's most likely jail time ahead for the ex-owner of the pit.

But most of the aggressiveness in a 'bad' pitt is something that while somewhat a breed trait, is brought out by the owner because that is why they got a dog with a 'mean' reputation, they wanted to be a badass. The same problems exist with Rotties, dobermans, German sheperds, to some extent all the bigger dogs.

You're right! But it doesn't change the breed of the dog. Pit bulls are not considered as stable as dogs where breeders have the dogs' mental state in mind as they do prefer dogs that don't hurt people.

 

[NadMat]

Looks to me like we are pretty much agreement. Nature and nurture both count, and extremely bad in either is gonna cause problems.

I would be VERY surprised if you guys don't have such laws already. A "hill billy" woman over here got 4 years in jail for keeping her dogs in a way that made them agressive, and for not having them under control. Not enough if you ask me, but compared to other crimes the penalty is about where it should be. Mind you, her escaped pack of dogs killed a 7 year old boy on the way home from school...

The dogs where not pit bulls. They were huskies. But that's beside the point in the matter.

To own an illegal pit bull over here is considered more or less as owning an illegal handgun, at least if "something happens"... The dog will be put down no matter what or what not, if it's considered a "pit bull like" dog with no papers to prove otherwhise. The owner will get a stiff fine, unless the dog harmed someone. Then it's most likely jail time ahead for the ex-owner of the pit.

We have some laws, but they are inconsistant from place to place, and usual enforcement tends to be kill the 'bad' dog, and fine the dumbass owner, until a person dies, and then they still usually get off with a 'probationary term'.

You're right! But it doesn't change the breed of the dog. Pit bulls are not considered as stable as dogs where breeders have the dogs' mental state in mind as they do prefer dogs that don't hurt people.

But many pits have been properly and responsibly bred for generations, and are no more likely than other breeds to be a bad dog. Some breeders do breed them as family pets and aggressivly and proactively remove those with to strong an aggressive tendencies from the mix. I would much rather see an attempt to control and certify the breeding of the dogs than just 'ban' them. But your country, so your choice.

It is not a problem I plan on having, as Aussies and Border collies are my dog of choice.

 

[KOMPRESSOR]

Looks to me like we are pretty much agreement. Nature and nurture both count, and extremely bad in either is gonna cause problems.

Never really though otherwise, in priciples.
-Except I'm not willing to gamble on any child's health and life just to let some dumb *** pit owners excercise their freedom of choice. And it's a very easy sacrafice for me to make!

It is not a problem I plan on having, as Aussies and Border collies are my dog of choice.

Eh... Did you know? Statistically, it's border collies NOT used for sheep herding that are causing the highest number of injuries on people, just ahead of the family golden retriever (NOT used for retreiving birds...). Although the injuries are less likely to be very serious it shows that owning a dog, no matter what breed, takes RESPONSIBLILITY!

Keep your dogs active and happy, people! Happy dogs don't bite! :05:





Picture: Skott practice grouse hunting. What? No grouse in the city parks? OK, pigeons will do! -They're right under his nose but he's just standing very still, as he's trained to do with hiding grouse in the mountains.

 

[NadMat]

Never really though otherwise, in priciples.
-Except I'm not willing to gamble on any child's health and life just to let some dumb *** pit owners excercise their freedom of choice. And it's a very easy sacrafice for me to make!

Eh... Did you know? Statistically, it's border collies NOT used for sheep herding that are causing the highest number of injuries on people, just ahead of the family golden retriever (NOT used for retreiving birds...). Although the injuries are less likely to be very serious it shows that owning a dog, no matter what breed, takes RESPONSIBLILITY!

Keep your dogs active and happy, people! Happy dogs don't bite! :05:


Picture: Skott practice grouse hunting. What? No grouse in the city parks? OK, pigeons will do! -They're right under his nose but he's just standing very still, as he's trained to do with hiding grouse in the mountains.

All 'working' breeds need to be given some 'job' to do and any breed needs plenty of exercise and play time or they will get bored, restless, and become a problem. One of the reasons my last two dogs were aussies is that they are great dogs for running along with the mountain bike, one of my non scuba hobbies. I looked at both border collies and heelers too, but found I liked the general temperment of the Aussies best.

Heelers and BC's seem to me to be a little more likely to nip, although I would not usually consider that an attack. It is usually just communication, and control.

I would not let children or my dog around strange dogs unsupervised no matter what the breed, but there are several pitts I know that I would have no problem with letting either play with outside of my immediate presence.

The biggest problem I have with banning a 'breed' is that which is next? The dumbasses will just switch to another breed and through selecting and training the aggressive traits we just get another breed banned. And I fear the process will continue until your breed of dog or mine could be next. Which is why I am for addressing the problem of bad owners rather than banning breeds.

attached is pic of Renegade, my last aussie, unfortunatly taken away from me by a severe epeleptic attack last Nov. before he was quite 2. Still a big empty place in my heart and life.

 

[dpbishop]

Now hold on just a cotton picken minute Catherine. Who says pit bulls are ugly. My pit bulls are beautiful. Now my ex-daughter-in-law's snaggle tooth chiuahua, that's an ugly dog. Not even a dog, really; more of a rat in a dog suit.

 

[Cacia]

Oooohhh, you guys, I have gotten BEHIND! where was I? Well, I think they are ugly because, it is a personal thing, but I don't like dogs that drool. It is just me, but I like a dog that keeps its mouth closed. ( I don't like looking at their butts either.)
I think Pit Bulls smell way worse than other dogs.---like gym socks. My dog smells like baby powder, no kidding. Different breeds smell different.

Nadmat, the problem is, you say "don't leave your child with any breed." I said this before, please would somebody listen? ....are you going to personally know/train the dogs where you drop off your six year old? Are you going to not let them go, if you don't know the dog? Well, I am going to let mine go unless, based on very superficial judgments, I don't like the looks or the breed of the dog. Thats what I mean by "real life". When you are a mother, you are not so philosophical, you don't care about blaming the "owners of the world", you just use instinct and mine says those dogs might attack my kid. If a person sends the wrong "vibe", I tell my kids to pay attention. This instinctive intuition we have as animals is getting sanitized right out of us as we get overloaded with information and education and live in more and more artificial environments...like suburbs. Overdomesticated.

 

[H2Andy]

I don't like dogs that drool.

i don't mind a drooling dog. nor a drooling cat.

i can't stand drooling mules, though... give me the creeps

 

[Cacia]

that Avatar.....has to go Andy. I will put up with it for a day or so, but it is not good for your image.

 

[H2Andy]

i..... have.....


.......no ....... image.....

*sob*

thanks for reminding me, though

 

[Humuhumunukunukuapua'a]

Seems like everyone's avatar is suddenly somewhat politically charged...