Pit bull coming at me, owner screaming "Vicious NO"

[H2Andy]

Lol

hey.. it won't let me do "LOL"

let's do an experiment: give a "bad" pit bull to a good owner
and a "good" lab to a bad owner

wait a year

which is gonna be the dangerous dog?

 

[Walter]

Andy, no one is arguing that jerks can't ruin any dog. No one one is arguing that responsible owners who know how to raise dogs can't raise good Pit Bulls.

Points that people are arguing are:

A Pit Bull is probably (I'm using probably as a compromise) more likely in similar circumstances to become a "bad dog."

When two equally bad dogs attack, the stronger, and bigger a dog is, the more dangerous, especially if the dog in question has unusually powerful jaws.

Jerks who are more likely to raise bad dogs are also more likely to choose a dog, such as a Pit Bull, that scare people (justly or unjustly).

 

[Tamas]

1. We do not keep captive trained big cats as pets... at least the majority of us don't. Has NO bearing on this argument.
2. Pit Bulls get the attention because of the ferocity of the attacks. Granted Chihuahua's bite too but they don't kill.
3. Breed IS the problem... mix underbred humans & overbred dogs and you have a major problem.

I guess you missed the point on these

#1 - granted most people do not keep large cats as pets, but that was NOT the point of that comparison. the point was the nature of the beast - might appear tame and well trained but it's still a wild animal that we might not have control over as we wish

#2 - not all attack advertised and published are those of death, deaths are very rare. there have also been attacks of donkeys or birds even that resulted in death - yet you don't see people banning them

#3 - Breed is NOT the problem, any dog can be trained to behave or act aggressive, any dog can also lead to aggression if not controlled, abused or left to fend for itself - it is in their nature

...your points are the perfect example of the misinformation and lack of real data, instead rumours spread and presented by the media

 

[Cacia]

Andy, I am not upset. I did not say anything personal about you. I just would like to hear your opinions in the context of your life experience. I am making a valid point that I know how to google, thats all. don't be defensive, I like the debate or I would be ...in another thread.

I don't mean condescending in a personal way. if you were in front of a jury, would you not have to think about the perception they had? Not of you as a person, but as how you construct your case?

 

[Moodiejeff]

you know, i'm almost there with you...

but the only dog that has ever bit me was a mutt... a frigging little mutt,
with an idiot for an owner

i've been around tons of pit bulls (a prof. of mine bred them, and i helped),
some rotts, and a few dobies, and i NEVER got bit... they all had good owners

A friend of mine has 2 dogs, a Rottweiler & a Bull Mastiff. I am wary around the Rottweiler but am scared stiff to be around the Bull Mastiff which has attacked numerous dogs.

This dog has gone for intensive training and conditioning and is generally a well behaved dog... until it snaps. Problem with the owner? I think not... it is the dog that is defective. Has never bit a human (except when breaking up a fight) but I don't want to be anywhere near it.

I don't want to hear the "dogs will be dogs/dominance" argument... if it's not safe to be around other dogs it's not safe period.

 

[H2Andy]

A Pit Bull is probably (I'm using probably as a compromise) more likely in similar circumstances to become a "bad dog."

no more so, i would argue, than a rottweiler, a bull dog, or a doberman.
they are all "fighting" breeds. at one time, they were the "bad dog d'jour"

When two equally bad dogs attack, the stronger, and bigger a dog is, the more dangerous, especially if the dog in question has unusually powerful jaws.

not sure how this is relevant as to whether pit bulls are more dangerous
than other breeds. also, it begs the question with the pre-condition "when two
equally bad dogs attack."

Jerks who are more likely to raise bad dogs are also more likely to choose a dog, such as a Pit Bull, that scare people (justly or unjustly).

i agree. but that still doesn't mean that the fear is justified. again, not really
releveant.

 

[H2Andy]

I just would like to hear your opinions in the context of your life experience.

C, my point is, that i acknowledge that i don't know everything.

thus, i seek out sources that have knowledge i lack. hence, i quote to
authorities on the subject.

if all i could talk about was my life experience, it'd be a short conversation
indeed. anything prior to 1966 would be off limits.

 

[Cacia]

Andy, no one is arguing that jerks can't ruin any dog. No one one is arguing that responsible owners who know how to raise dogs can't raise good Pit Bulls.

Points that people are arguing are:

A Pit Bull is probably (I'm using probably as a compromise) more likely in similar circumstances to become a "bad dog."

When two equally bad dogs attack, the stronger, and bigger a dog is, the more dangerous, especially if the dog in question has unusually powerful jaws.

Jerks who are more likely to raise bad dogs are also more likely to choose a dog, such as a Pit Bull, that scare people (justly or unjustly).

EXACTLY.....The thread in a paragraph. (one side anyway)

Andy, please make your case in a paragraph.... if it holds water you should be able to counter these points in a succinct way.


shoot, just getting good. back soon. (anybody care?)

 

[H2Andy]

This dog has gone for intensive training and conditioning and is generally a well behaved dog... until it snaps. Problem with the owner? I think not.

no, of course not. but if your friend is a good owner, he will ensure
that dog does not hurt other dogs, knowing what he knows.

i assume your friend keeps the dog only with dogs it knows and is very
careful when other dogs are around, right?

if he lets that dog hurt another dog, it's not the dog's fault. it's your
friend's (the owner).

Andy, please make your case in a paragraph.... if it holds water you should be able to counter these points in a succinct way.

sigh... look at post 156

 

[Moodiejeff]

I guess you missed the point on these

#1 - granted most people do not keep large cats as pets, but that was NOT the point of that comparison. the point was the nature of the beast - might appear tame and well trained but it's still a wild animal that we might not have control over as we wish

#2 - not all attack advertised and published are those of death, deaths are very rare. there have also been attacks of donkeys or birds even that resulted in death - yet you don't see people banning them

#3 - Breed is NOT the problem, any dog can be trained to behave or act aggressive, any dog can also lead to aggression if not controlled, abused or left to fend for itself - it is in their nature

...your points are the perfect example of the misinformation and lack of real data, instead rumours spread and presented by the media

Who's missing the point? What the **** do donkeys and birds (and cats) have to do with it?